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Post by JimmyJ4UK on Dec 30, 2019 8:26:16 GMT -8
I'd agree with the wider tires and more aggressive aero if they'd up the power for the car on the ovals. Granted, at the intermediate speedways the cars were getting pretty fast in 2013 when they were making over 900bhp. That probably won't happen because of those speeds and the Gen 7 car is supposed to have like a 5 liter engine max capacity. How much lighter will the new car be? I'm just holding out hope for less aero at this point as everything else seems set in stone.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Dec 31, 2019 8:58:34 GMT -8
^Not surprising. The new transmission, independent rear suspension and wider tires should make the road course racing better...everything else, not so much. The oval handling should improve also unless they put restrictions on rear wheel camber.
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Post by JimmyJ4UK on Dec 31, 2019 9:36:50 GMT -8
^Which will make the racing more predictable and less entertaining.
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Post by Spin on Jan 2, 2020 6:14:04 GMT -8
I don't know, but there's young guys in the road racing crowd who run vintage races and have a blast with cars with less grip and sometimes more power.
The essence of racing has always been that the cars have more power than the combined available mechanical and aerodynamic grip can put to the track. The drivers skill is the vital interface between machine and the track that brings out optimum potential of the car. I thought about this for awhile, and it is very true in dirt track racing. It should be the case is lower level short track racing where (llike dirt) the races are 40-100 laps in length. For races over 100 laps, that would cause more cautions, slowing the pace of the race. IMO there's already too many cautions slowing the pace. I think they should shoot for 2 1/2-3 hours max. Even at the track a 4 hour race is too long. I like the current format where you have to play the speed vs. tire degradation and fuel use strategy. I want to race to move along. So I can at some point. I don't want to see dirt track style racing at Charlotte and Atlanta. That would be a shit show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 6:33:46 GMT -8
If NASCAR didn't throw a yellow every time somebodies tires touched the grass, the race would move along at a much faster pace.
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Post by mmi16 on Jan 2, 2020 17:27:12 GMT -8
The essence of racing has always been that the cars have more power than the combined available mechanical and aerodynamic grip can put to the track. The drivers skill is the vital interface between machine and the track that brings out optimum potential of the car. I thought about this for awhile, and it is very true in dirt track racing. It should be the case is lower level short track racing where (llike dirt) the races are 40-100 laps in length. For races over 100 laps, that would cause more cautions, slowing the pace of the race. IMO there's already too many cautions slowing the pace. I think they should shoot for 2 1/2-3 hours max. Even at the track a 4 hour race is too long. I like the current format where you have to play the speed vs. tire degradation and fuel use strategy. I want to race to move along. So I can at some point. I don't want to see dirt track style racing at Charlotte and Atlanta. That would be a shit show. Put the fucking taxi cabs back on dirt - they have run on dirt in the past - they should run on dirt in the future.
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Post by Spin on Jan 5, 2020 14:11:54 GMT -8
I thought about this for awhile, and it is very true in dirt track racing. It should be the case is lower level short track racing where (llike dirt) the races are 40-100 laps in length. For races over 100 laps, that would cause more cautions, slowing the pace of the race. IMO there's already too many cautions slowing the pace. I think they should shoot for 2 1/2-3 hours max. Even at the track a 4 hour race is too long. I like the current format where you have to play the speed vs. tire degradation and fuel use strategy. I want to race to move along. So I can at some point. I don't want to see dirt track style racing at Charlotte and Atlanta. That would be a shit show. Put the fucking taxi cabs back on dirt - they have run on dirt in the past - they should run on dirt in the future. IndyCars raced on almost exclusively ovals in the past. They should in the future.
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Post by mmi16 on Jan 5, 2020 17:12:21 GMT -8
Put the fucking taxi cabs back on dirt - they have run on dirt in the past - they should run on dirt in the future. IndyCars raced on almost exclusively ovals in the past. They should in the future. Give IndyCars the 4 inch wide treaded rubber of the 60's - that they used on both pavement and dirt.
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 2, 2020 11:23:45 GMT -8
If we are going to have Gen 7 cars for 2021 - SOMETHING should be happening NOW as to final design criteria and who will built what. Daytona 2021 is less than a year away and all the teams will need the new car, and they will want at least one back up car also.
Time to shit or get off the pot!
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Mar 2, 2020 13:38:17 GMT -8
NASCAR switching to single lug nut design for 2021Beginning in 2021, NASCAR Cup Series teams will work with a single, center-locking lug nut on its race cars. The move was confirmed Monday as William Byron tested the phase 3 prototype of the Next Gen race car at Fontana. Byron was driving a car that featured the single lug nut. “One of our main goals with the Next Gen car is to provide a vehicle that better replicates what our OEM partners sell in the showroom – both in looks and relevant technology,” said John Probst, NASCAR senior vice president of racing innovations. “Moving to an 18-inch forged aluminum wheel helps do just that. racer.com/2020/03/02/nascar-switching-to-single-lug-nut-design-for-2021/
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 2, 2020 19:37:57 GMT -8
NASCAR switching to single lug nut design for 2021Beginning in 2021, NASCAR Cup Series teams will work with a single, center-locking lug nut on its race cars. The move was confirmed Monday as William Byron tested the phase 3 prototype of the Next Gen race car at Fontana. Byron was driving a car that featured the single lug nut. “One of our main goals with the Next Gen car is to provide a vehicle that better replicates what our OEM partners sell in the showroom – both in looks and relevant technology,” said John Probst, NASCAR senior vice president of racing innovations. “Moving to an 18-inch forged aluminum wheel helps do just that. racer.com/2020/03/02/nascar-switching-to-single-lug-nut-design-for-2021/ Now a loose lug nut penalty will be justified!
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Post by Spin on Apr 27, 2021 7:53:30 GMT -8
Full unveil of manufacturers’ Next Gen models to be held May 5 in CharlotteAs the Next Gen car inches toward its 2022 competition debut in the NASCAR Cup Series, a full look at the models from each of the sport’s three manufacturers is also closing in. The three Next Gen entries will be unveiled May 5 in Charlotte, North Carolina. The automakers’ three models took their first turns on the track last week at Martinsville Speedway, but in a closed test and with busy, camouflaged paint schemes to disguise their appearance. In addition to the new race car bodies, specs and elements of the new car also will be announced. It’s the next phase in the car’s timeline, moving past the development phase and into tire testing and eventually organizational tests. Wednesday’s announcement dovetailed with Tyler Reddick’s track time in the P3 prototype this week at Darlington Raceway, working with Goodyear officials to determine tire combinations.
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Post by JimmyJ4UK on May 5, 2021 6:50:11 GMT -8
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Post by wilmywood8455 on May 5, 2021 13:32:38 GMT -8
Behind what you see, and what you don’t, in NASCAR Next GenWhile there is much about the Next Gen race cars that were revealed today by NASCAR that the naked eye can’t see, there is also plenty of change that stands out to Andy Graves. “The first thing that stands out is the 18-inch wheels and low-profile tires,” Graves, executive engineer technical director, Toyota Racing Development, told RACER. “It’s a major change, and even if we had the same Next Gen body with the current wheels and tires, it would still look better and still be in better proportion, but with the 18-inch wheels and tires, there’s definitely an element of sexy that it adds and makes it more racy, in my opinion. And gives you that more of a sports car, GTD, or GT3 type of look. “Another thing that’s going to stand out is the hood exits. Now instead of pushing air through the water and oil and just into the engine compartment, now suddenly, that air exits out on the hood. Some of the OEMs have louvers on top of the hood; we just have a standard exit that is very similar to our Lexus RC F, so we were able to take some of our experience and some things we were doing in the GT3 world and be able to apply some of that to this Next Gen model.” Graves and David Wilson, president of TRD, walked RACER through the difference of the Next Gen car in conjunction with the manufacturer design unveils Wednesday. Toyota will compete with the Toyota TRD Camry, the first time a TRD badge is featured on the body of a Camry and not just decals inside the car for the cameras. _______________________________________- • 18-inch forged aluminum wheels • A new transaxle will combine the transmission and rear gears into one package • Independent rear suspension • The bottom of the car will be sealed with an underwing and rear diffuser • A redesigned chassis features new front and rear bumpers. Both the front and rear clips bolt on to the center sections of the vehicle • Composite body • Engine intake from the grille area with a new longer airbox • Hood exits incorporated to assist with engine cooling • 5-speed sequential shift • Additional roll bars for driver safety • Form-fitted foam insert between chassis and nose/tail like production cars • Driver positioned closer to the center line of the car • Legacy hood flaps and legacy roof flaps keep race cars on the ground at higher rates of speed racer.com/2021/05/05/behind-what-you-see-and-what-you-dont-in-nascar-next-gen/?utm_source=RACER+%2F%2F+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3c24cd8299-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2021_05_05_08_22&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_76623d07b6-3c24cd8299-274287873
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Post by Spin on May 5, 2021 16:42:31 GMT -8
I like the switch to composite bodies, transaxles, independent rear suspension, 18" wheels, the safety improvements, better looking cars IMO. I can't wait to see them driven in anger.
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Post by Spin on May 5, 2021 17:10:22 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on May 6, 2021 20:10:44 GMT -8
I like the switch to composite bodies, transaxles, independent rear suspension, 18" wheels, the safety improvements, better looking cars IMO. I can't wait to see them driven in anger. At 3300 pounds - for that type of construction the car is about 1000 pounds overweight. Who is building the cars - the teams or a manufacturer? If the teams are building them, that is the demise of the low budget operations that have historically bought 'hand me downs' from the big teams. How many cars is each car number going the utilize during the year. At present they are using 4 or more chassis per car number. Superspeedway, 1.5 mile Speedways. Short Track and Road Course.
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Post by jmjgt on May 13, 2021 9:29:17 GMT -8
The weight will make it easier for a bought chassis to complete with a built one, in fact it's probably smarter to just buy one, modify it to taste and save money on running an in house fab shop. I'm glad to see NASCAR finally crawling out fom under it's rock technologically, too bad they had to go the parts/kit car route. That HP rating is a bummer though, they should drop them down to 5 liters to keep possible kablamo's in the mix.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 4, 2021 19:10:11 GMT -8
Understand the Gen 7 cars will have a transaxle that the teams will not be allowed to service or modify or change the gearing. I doubt the gearing for Bristol and Talladega will be compatible with gearing for the Roval or Watkins Glen. Understand transaxle turnaround is two weeks or more. Yep they are really going to save the little guy money with the Gen 7 cars.
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 5, 2021 9:50:35 GMT -8
Understand the Gen 7 cars will have a transaxle that the teams will not be allowed to service or modify or change the gearing. I doubt the gearing for Bristol and Talladega will be compatible with gearing for the Roval or Watkins Glen. Understand transaxle turnaround is two weeks or more. Yep they are really going to save the little guy money with the Gen 7 cars. They're getting an extra cog in the gearbox presumably to cover that problem, question is will 5 ratios be enough?
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