|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Oct 3, 2019 17:28:55 GMT -8
I tried something like this before the move to freeforums but someone made a comment about an ideal schedule and it got me to thinking of trying this again with the 2021 schedule
March 7 Honda Grand Prix of St Petersburg March 21 Austin City Limits IndyCar Classic (Circuit of the Americas) April 4 Honda Indy Grand Prix of Alabama April 11 Acura Grand Prix of Long Beach (I miss Toyota) April 25 Pepsi Grand Prix of Denver presented by Centrix Financial May 9 Pennzoil IndyCar Grand Prix of Indianapolis May 23 105th Indianapolis 500 presented by Gainbridge May 29-30 Chevrolet Detroit Grand Prix presented by LearJet June 6 DXC Technology 600K (Texas Motor Speedway) June 20 REV Group Grand Prix at Road America June 27 Suntrust Indy 400 (Richmond Raceway) July 4 Western & Southern Cleveland Grand Prix fueled by Marathon July 11 Bombardier Grand Prix du Mont Tremblant July 18 Honda Indy Toronto August 7 Iowa Indy 300 August 15 Honda Indy 200 at Mid-Ohio August 21 Bommarito Automotive Group 500 (Gateway Motorsports Park) August 29 Vivint Utah Grand Prix (Utah Motorsports Campus) September 5 Fry's IndyCar Grand Prix of Portland September 18 NTT IndyCar All-Star Challenge September 19 Firestone IndyCar Championship at Laguna Seca
This is just what I came up with during some downtime at my newspaper job tonight
|
|
|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Oct 3, 2019 17:53:15 GMT -8
I know that Newgarden did some demo laps on the Roval at Charlotte but that would have to be a separate event (maybe partner with WTSCC) in order to be on a potential schedule given when they have the NASCAR event on future calendars
|
|
|
Post by montybriscoe on Oct 4, 2019 7:46:39 GMT -8
Good lord...mechanics would absolutely hate you for that schedule. 🤣
Any schedule of 16-20 races needs to start in March and end at the end of October to allow some spacing between the races. None of this three weeks, or in your case, five weeks in a row stuff. June 20 thru July 18 and Aug 7 thru Sep 5? Really? 😖🤣 That is 10 races in 12 weeks.
|
|
|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Oct 8, 2019 14:21:30 GMT -8
Your concern (and apparent disdain) are both noted montybriscoe. My feeling in putting the schedule together the way I did was to first, make sure there was plenty of action to be had and minimize the amount of downtime where ICS could potentially be lost, especially in the late summer into the opening of fall when it would be competing with MLB, college football and the NFL. I do understand your thought on the two sequences from end of June-July and the 5 race run in August through the first week of September. As this is a fantasy schedule, if I was the person in charge of making it for the actual series, I certainly could tweak it to maximize downtime and extend the season into October to allow for instance, pairing with NASCAR on the Roval at Charlotte instead of making it a freestanding event (although I would enjoy seeing Blancpain GT America and/or WTSCC pairing with ICS if that were the case).
What would your schedule look like monty if you were in charge?
|
|
|
Post by Spin on Oct 9, 2019 9:38:34 GMT -8
I always wondered what impact the NFL has on IndyCar? Especially now when they play 3 sometimes 4 days/nights of the week...
|
|
|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Oct 10, 2019 13:22:30 GMT -8
I did consider that after I posted...especially given the fact that NBC has rights for both ICS and Sunday Night Football, so if the schedule was worked the right way, you could tweak it to have ICS lead into FNIA with a couple of the later rounds, while NBCSN would carry the races that don't conflict with a MENCS round (particularly with their playoffs)
|
|
|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Dec 22, 2019 17:18:46 GMT -8
Been doing some thinking over the last couple months since I posted my hypothetical 2021 ICS calendar and so I thought I would give it another go as we head into the holidays and soon the preparations for the 2020 opener:
March 7 Honda Grand Prix of St Petersburg March 21 Austin City Limits IndyCar Classic (Circuit of the Americas) April 4 Honda Indy Grand Prix of Alabama April 11 Acura Grand Prix of Long Beach (I miss Toyota) April 25 Pepsi Grand Prix of Denver presented by Centrix Financial May 9 Pennzoil IndyCar Grand Prix of Indianapolis May 23 105th Indianapolis 500 presented by Gainbridge May 29-30 Chevrolet Detroit Grand Prix presented by LearJet June 6 DXC Technology 600K (Texas Motor Speedway) June 20 REV Group Grand Prix at Road America July 4 Western & Southern Cleveland Grand Prix fueled by Marathon July 11 Honda Indy Toronto August 7 Iowa Indy 300 August 15 Honda Indy 200 at Mid-Ohio August 21 Bommarito Automotive Group 500 (Gateway Motorsports Park) September 5 Fry's IndyCar Grand Prix of Portland September 19 Bombardier Grand Prix du Mont Tremblant September 25 Suntrust Indy 400 (Richmond Raceway) October 10 Bank of America Grand Prix at Charlotte (ROVAL) October 24 NTT IndyCar All-Star Challenge (Laguna Seca) October 25 Firestone IndyCar Championship at Laguna Seca
I took one race out and did my best to extend the season into October to maximize the number of off weeks for the teams and minimize the number of lengthy stretches of races and even found a way to potentially partner with MENCS for a "super weekend" at the ROVAL late in the year. Would be interesting having the MENCS in the day and then ICS at night (Think Cleveland back in the Champ Car days or Houston)
|
|
|
Post by montybriscoe on Dec 22, 2019 17:38:26 GMT -8
See you listened to me and my constructive criticism. That is all it was. That schedule is a lot better and more realistic.
Indy Car should never run beyond the last day of October. See, that is F1's problem. They run until the first weekend in December and that is a bit much for me. That was this past Thanksgiving weekend. Too much other stuff going on for me.
|
|
|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Dec 22, 2019 17:50:47 GMT -8
Thanks Monty. We have three new (or returning depending on your view of it) venues on the schedule and there are not alot of car breakers grouped together, plus with the off weeks sprinkled in, they have time to make needed fixes to boot (which I reckon is what you were going for with your comments)
|
|
|
Post by montybriscoe on Dec 22, 2019 18:18:11 GMT -8
I know every few years or so Cleveland gets brought up. However, being from the area, it is probably never going to happen. I know it has been 12 years. It is just likely not in the cards. If Mike Lanigan really wanted it to happen, he would have made it happen by now, imo.
People outside Cleveland like to talk about it but listen to anyone actually from Cleveland, they think it is dead.
|
|
|
Post by Sabrina81 on Dec 22, 2019 22:40:27 GMT -8
Been doing some thinking over the last couple months since I posted my hypothetical 2021 ICS calendar and so I thought I would give it another go as we head into the holidays and soon the preparations for the 2020 opener: March 7 Honda Grand Prix of St Petersburg March 21 Austin City Limits IndyCar Classic (Circuit of the Americas) April 4 Honda Indy Grand Prix of Alabama April 11 Acura Grand Prix of Long Beach (I miss Toyota) April 25 Pepsi Grand Prix of Denver presented by Centrix Financial May 9 Pennzoil IndyCar Grand Prix of Indianapolis May 23 105th Indianapolis 500 presented by Gainbridge May 29-30 Chevrolet Detroit Grand Prix presented by LearJet June 6 DXC Technology 600K (Texas Motor Speedway) June 20 REV Group Grand Prix at Road America July 4 Western & Southern Cleveland Grand Prix fueled by Marathon July 11 Honda Indy Toronto August 7 Iowa Indy 300 August 15 Honda Indy 200 at Mid-Ohio August 21 Bommarito Automotive Group 500 (Gateway Motorsports Park) September 5 Fry's IndyCar Grand Prix of Portland September 19 Bombardier Grand Prix du Mont Tremblant September 25 Suntrust Indy 400 (Richmond Raceway) October 10 Bank of America Grand Prix at Charlotte (ROVAL) October 24 NTT IndyCar All-Star Challenge (Laguna Seca) October 25 Firestone IndyCar Championship at Laguna Seca I took one race out and did my best to extend the season into October to maximize the number of off weeks for the teams and minimize the number of lengthy stretches of races and even found a way to potentially partner with MENCS for a "super weekend" at the ROVAL late in the year. Would be interesting having the MENCS in the day and then ICS at night (Think Cleveland back in the Champ Car days or Houston) The ROVAL is an amazing LOL in person. That is all.
|
|
|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Dec 23, 2019 15:28:01 GMT -8
I know every few years or so Cleveland gets brought up. However, being from the area, it is probably never going to happen. I know it has been 12 years. It is just likely not in the cards. If Mike Lanigan really wanted it to happen, he would have made it happen by now, imo. People outside Cleveland like to talk about it but listen to anyone actually from Cleveland, they think it is dead. Cleveland was the first one to come to mind for the 4th of July weekend...figured an All-American race on an All-American weekend. What would be an alternative to that?
|
|
|
Post by Spin on Dec 23, 2019 17:21:07 GMT -8
See you listened to me and my constructive criticism. That is all it was. That schedule is a lot better and more realistic. Indy Car should never run beyond the last day of October. See, that is F1's problem. They run until the first weekend in December and that is a bit much for me. That was this past Thanksgiving weekend. Too much other stuff going on for me. A lot of events do very well in Ctown, the airshow being a great example, going on at the same venue. It sets records quite often. The MLB All Star game was a huge hit. And the TV ratings would be through the roof. The only reason the event ended was because Tony George couldn't figure out how to schedule the "reunified" series. But from what I've heard, the taxiways are pretty rough now and it takes a ton of paperwork (and airport budget) to fix them. There's a push to close the airport for more lakefront development (it's the only remaining downtown airport). See Meigs Field to see what lengths the developers/politicians will go to to get their lakefront downtown land from an active airport. And a promoter would have to start the whole process with the FAA to get the permits to close the airport down for the weekend. I doubt we'll ever see it. Which is a real shame.
|
|
|
Post by montybriscoe on Dec 23, 2019 17:37:02 GMT -8
I know every few years or so Cleveland gets brought up. However, being from the area, it is probably never going to happen. I know it has been 12 years. It is just likely not in the cards. If Mike Lanigan really wanted it to happen, he would have made it happen by now, imo. People outside Cleveland like to talk about it but listen to anyone actually from Cleveland, they think it is dead. Cleveland was the first one to come to mind for the 4th of July weekend...figured an All-American race on an All-American weekend. What would be an alternative to that? Mmmmmmm....Kentucky. Not far from Lexington, Cincy/Dayton, and Indy.
|
|
|
Post by Spin on Dec 24, 2019 8:10:21 GMT -8
Mmmmmmm....Kentucky. Not far from Lexington, Cincy/Dayton, and Indy. I would put ovals on my schedule if I was still doing them. I just think the powers-that-be are old and too afraid of accidents and costs. And soured by the haphazard "attempts" at Milwaukee and other promotional shit-shows. The deovalisation is almost complete.
|
|
|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Dec 27, 2019 19:21:40 GMT -8
Ovals definitely have their place, especially with trying to draw USAC guys back in...In an older discussion I had talked about upping the prize pools for all races, and significantly increasing it for the I500. it would take quite a bit of financial commitment from sponsors I realize, but with NASCAR leaving a bad taste in the mouths of fans in some ways, this would be a good opportunity for ICS to make that kind of an aggressive play.
|
|
|
Post by bjwilliamsafr on Feb 2, 2020 19:30:59 GMT -8
I know every few years or so Cleveland gets brought up. However, being from the area, it is probably never going to happen. I know it has been 12 years. It is just likely not in the cards. If Mike Lanigan really wanted it to happen, he would have made it happen by now, imo. People outside Cleveland like to talk about it but listen to anyone actually from Cleveland, they think it is dead. I really want to try and get a quintessentially American venue on 4th of July weekend. what yould you recommend if Cleveland is dead?
|
|
|
Post by montybriscoe on Feb 2, 2020 19:33:25 GMT -8
Cleveland was the first one to come to mind for the 4th of July weekend...figured an All-American race on an All-American weekend. What would be an alternative to that? Mmmmmmm....Kentucky. Not far from Lexington, Cincy/Dayton, and Indy.
|
|
|
Post by Spin on Feb 2, 2020 19:49:55 GMT -8
Ovals definitely have their place, especially with trying to draw USAC guys back in... It might be possible now, with less NASCAR teams having sponsors, relying on drivers to bring their own funding. Only the top handful of teams are directly sponsored. Problem is, IndyCar has the same problem.
|
|
|
Post by wilmywood8455 on Feb 3, 2020 15:18:45 GMT -8
Your concern (and apparent disdain) are both noted montybriscoe. My feeling in putting the schedule together the way I did was to first, make sure there was plenty of action to be had and minimize the amount of downtime where ICS could potentially be lost, especially in the late summer into the opening of fall when it would be competing with MLB, college football and the NFL. I do understand your thought on the two sequences from end of June-July and the 5 race run in August through the first week of September. As this is a fantasy schedule, if I was the person in charge of making it for the actual series, I certainly could tweak it to maximize downtime and extend the season into October to allow for instance, pairing with NASCAR on the Roval at Charlotte instead of making it a freestanding event (although I would enjoy seeing Blancpain GT America and/or WTSCC pairing with ICS if that were the case). What would your schedule look like monty if you were in charge? You can't run these crews into the ground. Nascar has a shop team, a garage race team and an over the wall pit stop team. Indycar has one team that does it all. They have to have rest. Every other week, and no more than 2 races in a three weekend period. None consecutive. -
PS ... not to mention a bigtime Cup team uses 8-12 cars during a season. Not one.
|
|