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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 16:56:38 GMT -8
I haven't kept up... Were Renault absolved by the FIA of wrongdoing?
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Post by chernaudi on Oct 25, 2019 17:00:03 GMT -8
Some BS about how it wasn't has described by RP, but still technically an illegal/questionably legal driver aid. I don't really know how it works, but I also wouldn't put is past Mercedes, RBR or Ferrari having at least looked into using something similar at some point at the least. Renault was low hanging fruit because of being a mid pack team like RP and Mercedes, RBR and Ferrari have more pull with the FIA and FOM over rules, politics and such.
Reminds me of a story from Le Mans in 1954 when Ferrari committed several rules violations during a late race pit stop. An ACO or FIA official goes to a Jaguar chief mechanic and tells him that you saw what happened just as I (the official) did, and you have the right to protest/need to protest. The mechanic said you have to talk to team manager Lofty England. England hears out the official, says he doesn't have the authority to make the call, you have to talk to William Lyons, who was co-founder and at the time owner of Jaguar. Bill Lyons says we won't protest, Bill's reasoning being that if we can't beat Ferrari on the race track, we won't beat them in the Clerk of the Course's office. If we can't beat them on the road, we won't get a win by getting them penalized by bitching about a rules technicality.
The point being here that this seems to be a similar case, the FIA knew that Renault were probably up to something, but wouldn't make a ruling until someone bitched about it and filed an protest or a rules clarification request.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:22:35 GMT -8
I realize that. But the 'Drivers' are still constantly being instructed how to proceed throughout every race! They are rarely proceeding completely by their own wits. Many of them seem to be 'half-wits'! I answered the question you asked. If you did not want that answer, you shouldn't have asked that question. This: "...rules dictating that drivers must drive the car alone and unaided". Is what I was trying to get at! Is it not true that the Engineers are constantly imploring their drivers to: watch the brakes; watch the tires; watch the guy behind you; etc. etc. etc!
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Post by mikey on Oct 25, 2019 17:22:43 GMT -8
I am glad F1 has a legislated 15K Maximum rev limit - if that telemetry is correct - they aren't even reaching 12K. That's because the last few thousand rpm mostly waste fuel for the power they get out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:34:20 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 25, 2019 20:26:12 GMT -8
I am glad F1 has a legislated 15K Maximum rev limit - if that telemetry is correct - they aren't even reaching 12K. That's because the last few thousand rpm mostly waste fuel for the power they get out of it. That is because the engines have not been designed for power - they have been designed for the Mobil Fuel Economy run. Maybe a part of pre/post race scruitineering - put the cars on a chassis dyno and make each car make some pulls to the 15K Rev Limiter's. Publish the Dyno data.
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Post by Pistola on Oct 26, 2019 7:58:40 GMT -8
Are they using Consumer version GPS or Military version? Consumer version is accurate to about 10 yards - personally I don't want my braking controlled by something that can vary by as much as 30 feet! I didn't think the Military version of GPS was available to anyone but the military. The consumer version is way more accurate than 10 yards. More like 3 yards. The GPS use in question is not that distance specific. It just needs to know which corner the car is approaching so it a can adjust the bias accordingly. Kinda hard to get GPS in the tunnel in Monaco.
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