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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 15, 2019 16:28:15 GMT -8
Yeah there's so much contradictory stuff flying around on this one, most of which is plausible, who knows what the truth is? It's really possible Toto was at home doing his job to present the budget for all of Mercedes motorsport and especially the F1 budget in light of what the technical and financial agreements for 2021 are changing. Exactly. The coming budget cap might/probably keep Team AMG Mercedes in F1. |
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 16, 2019 14:29:39 GMT -8
It's really possible Toto was at home doing his job to present the budget for all of Mercedes motorsport and especially the F1 budget in light of what the technical and financial agreements for 2021 are changing. Exactly. The coming budget cap might/probably keep Team AMG Mercedes in F1. And they load up on R&D expenditures in 2020 before the 2021 cap comes into play. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Nov 17, 2019 5:02:40 GMT -8
Exactly. The coming budget cap might/probably keep Team AMG Mercedes in F1. And they load up on R&D expenditures in 2020 before the 2021 cap comes into play. As will anyone else with the resources to do so. |
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 17, 2019 6:03:25 GMT -8
And they load up on R&D expenditures in 2020 before the 2021 cap comes into play. As will anyone else with the resources to do so. MB has nominally more resources to deploy than anyone else. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Nov 17, 2019 6:44:37 GMT -8
As will anyone else with the resources to do so. MB has nominally more resources to deploy than anyone else. There is only so much that can be done without actual track testing to prove the designs. |
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 17, 2019 8:51:08 GMT -8
MB has nominally more resources to deploy than anyone else. There is only so much that can be done without actual track testing to prove the designs. MB can afford to have multiple 'solutions' to whatever the problem and have those solutions built and ready to apply to the car for back to back testing under as near the same conditions as possible. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 17, 2019 11:19:38 GMT -8
There is only so much that can be done without actual track testing to prove the designs. MB can afford to have multiple 'solutions' to whatever the problem and have those solutions built and ready to apply to the car for back to back testing under as near the same conditions as possible. The big money teams will only have an advantage the first year. It really will not add up to much over a season or two and no matter what the mid-field will definitely be closer than they have been for the past five years. That in itself is a huge improvement. |
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 17, 2019 12:11:34 GMT -8
MB can afford to have multiple 'solutions' to whatever the problem and have those solutions built and ready to apply to the car for back to back testing under as near the same conditions as possible. The big money teams will only have an advantage the first year. It really will not add up to much over a season or two and no matter what the mid-field will definitely be closer than they have been for the past five years. That in itself is a huge improvement. Big money starting in is like getting a 'good launch' out of a corner exiting to a long straight - the MPH advantage you have on exit extends all the way down the straight. MB worked on a big advantage coming into this PU formula and they have extended that advantage through all six years so far. |
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Post by mikey on Nov 17, 2019 13:50:25 GMT -8
The big money teams will only have an advantage the first year. It really will not add up to much over a season or two and no matter what the mid-field will definitely be closer than they have been for the past five years. That in itself is a huge improvement. Big money starting in is like getting a 'good launch' out of a corner exiting to a long straight - the MPH advantage you have on exit extends all the way down the straight. MB worked on a big advantage coming into this PU formula and they have extended that advantage through all six years so far. I think BOTH you and Carlo are correct, big money helped Mercedes get far enough ahead that they could then focus on other things that has kept them ahead, hopefully the new deal will bring the big money Teams back towards the pack as even they can't spend the money like they have been. Although in another thread the Mercedes Chairman said he would not out give the Mercedes F1 Team budget numbers but did they were raking in nearly 1 Billion per year and that was a sustainable number for them to stay in F1. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 17, 2019 14:23:00 GMT -8
The big money teams will only have an advantage the first year. It really will not add up to much over a season or two and no matter what the mid-field will definitely be closer than they have been for the past five years. That in itself is a huge improvement. Big money starting in is like getting a 'good launch' out of a corner exiting to a long straight - the MPH advantage you have on exit extends all the way down the straight. MB worked on a big advantage coming into this PU formula and they have extended that advantage through all six years so far. No and no. The launch the big money team will get will not last long. By the end of the 2021 season the mid-field will be right on the heals of the front runners. Watch and see. |
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 17, 2019 15:56:12 GMT -8
Big money starting in is like getting a 'good launch' out of a corner exiting to a long straight - the MPH advantage you have on exit extends all the way down the straight. MB worked on a big advantage coming into this PU formula and they have extended that advantage through all six years so far. No and no. The launch the big money team will get will not last long. By the end of the 2021 season the mid-field will be right on the heals of the front runners. Watch and see. If past history is any indication of the future - the mid-field hasn't gotten into MB's zip-code in the 6 years we have had the Power Unit formula - even the teams with MB power units for all 6 years are in a different zip-code. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 17, 2019 18:12:41 GMT -8
No and no. The launch the big money team will get will not last long. By the end of the 2021 season the mid-field will be right on the heals of the front runners. Watch and see. If past history is any indication of the future - the mid-field hasn't gotten into MB's zip-code in the 6 years we have had the Power Unit formula - even the teams with MB power units for all 6 years are in a different zip-code. Pass history means nothing. Just watch and see. |
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Post by racerman967 on Nov 23, 2019 16:25:11 GMT -8
So Honda has still not commited past 2020, being a huge fan of the company and all of their race teams I am going to go out on a limb that if Honda stays with Red Bull the Ason MArtin logos and name will need to be gone. They wll want it to be RED Bull/Honda or theyw ill be gone.
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Post by chernaudi on Nov 23, 2019 17:13:37 GMT -8
Ironically there, if RBR gets Mercedes engines, AMR will probably still sponsor them, as Daimler is a minority owner of Aston Martin.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 24, 2019 9:07:53 GMT -8
Aston Martin also uses AMG Mercedes engines in their road cars.
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Post by racerman967 on Nov 24, 2019 9:29:55 GMT -8
Ironically there, if RBR gets Mercedes engines, AMR will probably still sponsor them, as Daimler is a minority owner of Aston Martin. RBR won't get Merc engines now that McLaren is getting them IMO |
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Post by chernaudi on Nov 24, 2019 11:32:31 GMT -8
Depends on what Daimler/Mercedes-Benz want to do about having a factory team in F1. There's rumors of job cuts at Daimler and other programs to divert money elsewhere to other company programs. However, there's also the FIA/FOM budget cap in F1 from 2021 onwards.
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Post by loudpedal on Nov 28, 2019 4:01:48 GMT -8
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Post by olderguysrule on Dec 2, 2019 13:15:29 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Dec 2, 2019 14:05:04 GMT -8
It would make sense for Lewis to test the waters on price at Ferrari and Red Bull to see what they would offer him, then take that back to Mercedes as a starting point. Beat the offers or he's on to new challenges, it doesn't have to be the money exactly as there are lots of other things they could offer him instead to keep him, including bonuses to make even more.
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8