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Post by montybriscoe on May 27, 2019 15:16:38 GMT -8
All I have read or heard are "allegations" made by a former team of his. I am aware of an on track incident with a former teammate of his at Silverstone summer. I am aware that he blew off the stewards because of a "family emergency" back in the states. I know he got suspended and then got let go by his former team. However, not necessarily for these "allegations" but for defaulting on his sponsor payments. This after he bought the Dale Coyne ride at Detroit last summer. I am also aware his father is a Trump supporter
So, what did Ferrucci say or do exactly to bring about these allegations? Could someone please provide a credible link for me to read since I have googled this topic and have not really turned up anything other than "allegations." I have also checked YouTube but only turned up few videos that only offers opinions (some quite uninformed).
Thanks in advance.
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Post by loudpedal on May 27, 2019 17:21:22 GMT -8
Politics aside, a factual story. www.thedrive.com/accelerator/22028/how-f2-driver-santino-ferrucci-dismantled-his-racing-career-in-one-weekendAnd straight from the horse's mouth. You don't have to believe it, but if he wanted to dispute the findings maybe he should have talked to the stewards as he "was summoned to the hearing but declined to attend". A family emergency is not mentioned, but he is there at the track and can't spare 20 or 30 minutes? Would that have made a difference in how soon he could catch a plane to the states?
As far as the livery, the rules are quite clear.
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Post by Buck on May 27, 2019 17:51:52 GMT -8
Just got this year's Indianapolis Rookie of the Year award...
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Post by loudpedal on May 27, 2019 18:30:51 GMT -8
Just got this year's Indianapolis Rookie of the Year award... The Busch brothers are awesome NASCAR drivers, but their parents never taught them their manners.
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Post by montybriscoe on May 27, 2019 19:01:59 GMT -8
Politics aside, a factual story. www.thedrive.com/accelerator/22028/how-f2-driver-santino-ferrucci-dismantled-his-racing-career-in-one-weekendAnd straight from the horse's mouth. You don't have to believe it, but if he wanted to dispute the findings maybe he should have talked to the stewards "immediately following the incident", which he declined to do. A family emergency is not mentioned, but he is there at the track and can't spare 20 or 30 minutes? Would that have made a difference in how soon he could catch a plane to the states?
As far as the livery, the rules are quite clear.
I know all that and I am not disputing any of that. The family emergency was allegedly his uncle being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. That was according to Santino. Santino says he sent email to Trident to forward to the stewards. Not sure what that deal was but apparently the stewards say they never received it. Okay, so Santino might well be a spoiled rich kid but so is Lance Stroll. He may not have always played well with others but neither has Max Verstappen. What I want to know is where does the racist allegations come from? Is it over his father supposedly wanting to put MAGA on the side of his F2 car last July at Silverstone? Is MAGA considered racist? Is that where these allegations are being drawn from? If that is it, that is truly pathetic and sad. Trident made some remarks last summer alledging Santino and his father of some sort of racism. I think they implied racial bullying by the two against, Maini, who is Indian. Though they didn't or wouldn't elaborate what that was, Trident seemed far more pissed that Ferruci missed a sponsor payment and, more or less, accused them of using that payment for his Indy Car ride at Detroit last June. Ferrucci could be a racist but that is definitely not the reason why he was fired. It was defaulting on sponsor payments to Trident. Trident sued the Ferruccis and won for non-payment. Now, Ferrucci and Maini, from what I gathered did not get along. Maini was no better than Ferrucci at times. He also had a pretty good meltdown on the radio, after one race, where he was practically in tears over the team not supporting him. Both drivers were critical of Trident not supporting them at times last season. One race both criticized Trident for giving them crap engines. My opinion is Trident sucked as a team. They did an absolutely shitty job of managing and handling their drivers, who both seem self-entitled. The fact that neither driver is with them now, is all you need to know. Some people are saying that it is Ferrucci's father. Some say he is worst racing father in the world....lol Not true. The worst racing dad award goes to John Paul, Sr. He did things far worse than Ferrucci's dad. So, I really have some serious doubts that Ferrucci is a racist simply because too many people think that just because one supports Trump, that automatically makes them racist and I just really don't see that at all.
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Post by loudpedal on May 27, 2019 19:24:24 GMT -8
He was in England and his family is from Connecticut. If his uncle was diagnosed with cancer that is sad news, but that usually means a minimum of months, not hours. Meeting with the stewards is a matter of minutes, or maybe even an hour. Dude, take care of business and catch the next flight across the pond.
Not a fan of Max or Lance but they stick around and face the music. Santino high tailed it and reneged on his deal.
I don't read conspiracy web sites, so can't answer any of the racist allegations. Besides, that's irrelevant. I don't care what 'some people' have said. Haven't seen so much as a whisper of such on credible main stream sites.
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Post by montybriscoe on May 27, 2019 19:40:16 GMT -8
He was in England and his family is from Connecticut. If his uncle was diagnosed with cancer that is sad news, but that usually means a minimum of months, not hours. Meeting with the stewards is a matter of minutes, or maybe even an hour. Dude, take care of business and catch the next flight across the pond. Not a fan of Max or Lance but they stick around and face the music. Santino high tailed it and reneged on his deal. I don't read conspiracy web sites, so can't answer any of the racist allegations. Besides, that's irrelevant. I don't care what 'some people' have said. Haven't seen so much as a whisper of such on credible main stream sites. I was informed by someone on this site that he is a rich and spoiled racist and I wanted to know where that came from. If you go to other sites, it is a lot more than just "someone" or just a few that believe this. One of the sites you used as a source had a lot of comments that deemed him racist in an article about him. I have some serious doubts any of it is true. These aren't conspiracy sites, these are racing sites by and large.
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Post by Buck on May 27, 2019 19:49:38 GMT -8
As the mod I will give this 48 hours. If nothing, I close it.
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Post by montybriscoe on May 27, 2019 19:51:18 GMT -8
As the mod I will give this 48 hours. If nothing, I close it. You can do it now. I think I learned everything I needed to know.
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Post by loudpedal on May 27, 2019 19:55:07 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on May 28, 2019 13:42:57 GMT -8
www.racefans.net/2018/07/08/trident-apologises-to-maini-after-ferrucci-is-banned-for-collision/This is where the allegations stemmed from. Don't really see it. I think some folks on Twitter went into full Jemele Hill mode on this one. "Oh my God! Did that punk ass just mock his teammate for crying on the radio?! What's that? His teammate is from India? Well that little punk is racist! His dad supports Trump too? They are both racists! There is a rumor that they mocked him at Silverstone so it has to be true!" Trident handled this extremely badly. They aired their dirty laundry publicly in a way which gave SJWs the idea that it was racism without actually saying it was racism. The real reason they fired Ferrucci was missed sponsor payments, period. Not sure why they thought the "unsportsmanlike and uncivilized behavior" comment was necessary. Unless they were trying look like heros standing by Maini to cover the actual fact it was all over money. Of course they didn't stand by Maini that much longer after Ferrucci was canned. Perhaps Maini's budget didn't come together for 2019 or just wasn't good enough to keep his seat. Probably a little of both. Some people cannot be happy. They think it is their duty and their calling to take others down because, quite frankly, those, like Ferrucci, have it better than they do. And that bugs them. People are really sad today. Before computers, cell phones, Facebook, Twitter, social media....it did not used to be this way. Society, in general, has taken a few steps backwards the last few years. See Buck, I told you last night to go ahead and shut it down!🤣
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Post by montybriscoe on May 28, 2019 17:10:06 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on May 28, 2019 17:12:24 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on May 28, 2019 19:15:03 GMT -8
So, my general feelings about this are that Ferrucci was, at times, a dumb and immature 20 year old when he was in F2. Perhaps he lacked some proper guidance. I wasn't there so I honestly don't know. He probably ran his mouth but whatever he said was probably no where as bad as what people on social media portrayed it as. I see no evidence of racial slurs toward his former teammate. I don't even think his former teammate has ever spoken publicly about it. I have only heard heresy and second hand rumors passed off as facts. There is usually more to a story than meets the eye and I think this probably true with Ferrucci's.
I watched the cool down lap at Silverstone. I have to say that it really did not look premeditated at all. To hear someone say Ferrucci was using his "car as a weapon" probably never saw Senna or Schumacher race. Like Marshal Pruett said, that didn't even rank in the top 100 all time and if it was premeditated, Ferrucci did a pretty shitty job. Knocking off a front wing, okay, gotcha!
We were all 20 once. I wasn't perfect. I know 20 year olds today and they can make me laugh or make me cringe at some of their antics. Things they say on social media ... However, no 20 year old should have their life ruined over stuff said on Twitter or Facebook. I agree with Marshal that everyone deserves a second chance and Ferrucci is no different. I think he is making the most of his second chance and hope he continues to do so.
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Post by mmi16 on May 28, 2019 19:21:28 GMT -8
Ferrucci presented himself as a run of the mill two bit thug that could drive a race car and featured that no regulations applied to him.
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Post by montybriscoe on May 28, 2019 19:35:47 GMT -8
Ferrucci presented himself as a run of the mill two bit thug that could drive a race car and featured that no regulations applied to him. That was then, this is now. After this past month, can you still say the same about him? Really, this entire season I think he has exceeded everyone's expectations. I think he finally has the right support system in Indy Car that he never had in Europe. He has the support of Dale Coyne. If Dale thought any of the allegations against him had legs, I don't think he would have hired him. He has a strong, experienced teammate in Bourdais, one of the best engineers, imo, Mike Cannon, and had Pancho Carter spotting for him last Sunday. Pancho said Santino did good. He also had Helio schooling him during practice. So, yeah, I think we are seeing a big change in Ferrucci's attitude and approach. I think he realizes if he screws this up, then it is over. That is why I am rooting for him.
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Post by burkell777 on May 29, 2019 3:57:35 GMT -8
Hey when I met him multiple times at barber, he seemed pretty chill and such, he loved the fact I got dale coynes autograph on this old Firestone pit jacket I had. He def did not come off as spoiled or such. My two cents here.
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Post by mmi16 on May 29, 2019 4:50:37 GMT -8
Ferrucci presented himself as a run of the mill two bit thug that could drive a race car and featured that no regulations applied to him. That was then, this is now. After this past month, can you still say the same about him? Really, this entire season I think he has exceeded everyone's expectations. I think he finally has the right support system in Indy Car that he never had in Europe. He has the support of Dale Coyne. If Dale thought any of the allegations against him had legs, I don't think he would have hired him. He has a strong, experienced teammate in Bourdais, one of the best engineers, imo, Mike Cannon, and had Pancho Carter spotting for him last Sunday. Pancho said Santino did good. He also had Helio schooling him during practice. So, yeah, I think we are seeing a big change in Ferrucci's attitude and approach. I think he realizes if he screws this up, then it is over. That is why I am rooting for him. If we truly 'grow up' we can overcome our past - for his sake, I hope he has truly grown up.
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