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Post by mmi16 on Jun 7, 2019 10:54:03 GMT -8
Hamilton done for the session.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 7, 2019 10:58:44 GMT -8
WTF are the aero tabs in the nose of the Alfa of Giovanassi?
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Post by mikey on Jun 7, 2019 11:04:53 GMT -8
I think the 'run what you bring' idea will just shift the workload from the track to the office and the crews will do ALOT more work pre-race than they do right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:10:27 GMT -8
... completely forgot about Canada Practice! And I'm Glad!
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Post by olderguysrule on Jun 7, 2019 11:44:20 GMT -8
hey anybody got a link to the tire allocations this weekend?
and oh yeah, Jenson was camera in P2. I could hear Sabrina's heart throbbing over here in mpls. :-)
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 7, 2019 12:58:18 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 7, 2019 13:02:32 GMT -8
I think the 'run what you bring' idea will just shift the workload from the track to the office and the crews will do ALOT more work pre-race than they do right now. It only rewards the 'organized' teams that have the resources to 'work out' every conceivable permutation of their car's operation with their computers and data systems. Hand MB the check and cancel the rest of the weekend.
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Post by loudpedal on Jun 7, 2019 13:04:46 GMT -8
For Sabrina's sake, I hope you DVR'd FP2. The Martin Brundle/Jenson Button bits are interesting and sure to get your motor wound up. While my feelings about Jense are surely different, it was nice to see him at the track.
Oh, and his 'If I was King of F1' ideas were pretty awesome.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 7, 2019 13:31:07 GMT -8
If Pirelli can build a tire that would last 'all year' - BUILD IT. If a tire gets changed during the year it will be a 10 position penalty in the race which it happens (since we penalize teams for changing engines and transmissions account accident damage - do the same for 'tire failure' for any reason, accidents included. [/sarcasm]
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Post by olderguysrule on Jun 7, 2019 14:41:50 GMT -8
If Pirelli can build a tire that would last 'all year' - BUILD IT. If a tire gets changed during the year it will be a 10 position penalty in the race which it happens (since we penalize teams for changing engines and transmissions account accident damage - do the same for 'tire failure' for any reason, accidents included. [/sarcasm] they tried the old set of tires for the whole race weekend in what was it, 04 or 05. It cost kimi a chance of a race win when his McLaren flat spotted a tire and ronzo decided not to change it.
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Post by gturner38 on Jun 7, 2019 15:55:45 GMT -8
I think the 'run what you bring' idea will just shift the workload from the track to the office and the crews will do ALOT more work pre-race than they do right now. If they can limit the amount of resources used away from the track, I would like this. We've seen teams show up with two or three different variations of the front wing and figure it out at the track. I'd rather see them take an educated guess and possibly get it wrong.
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Post by gturner38 on Jun 7, 2019 16:27:51 GMT -8
I absolutely loved that race. Probably the best dry race I've seen in Montreal.
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Post by mikey on Jun 8, 2019 2:45:11 GMT -8
I think the 'run what you bring' idea will just shift the workload from the track to the office and the crews will do ALOT more work pre-race than they do right now. If they can limit the amount of resources used away from the track, I would like this. We've seen teams show up with two or three different variations of the front wing and figure it out at the track. I'd rather see them take an educated guess and possibly get it wrong. I just don't see how they can stop that though, last time they tried cost controls Red Bull outsourced lots of stuff, anything outsourced wasn't covered by the agreement, and kept winning. When the other Teams complained Red Bull said 'read the agreement' and the agreement was thrown away. If the cars can't evolve and get better and better as the weekend goes along then what's the point of it being F1? Having 5 different front wings IS silly though and can be addressed as can half a dozen different floors etc. I do like the way the cars and drivers get faster and faster as the weekend goes, showing there's no replacing actual seat time no matter how good your simulator is. Maybe the idea is you can bring only two of things and you can choose between them, but then limit Fridays FP1 to only 1 hour of actual testing time, and then extend FP2 to 2 hours of tweaking. No more parts changes to the car after FP1 unless the FIA agrees it's necessary and then only like for like. After that the FIA can start clamping down on the way things are 'adjusted' so only minor adjustments can be made not every single winglet having an adjuster etc. I'm not sure this still won't make the off track stuff more intensive, again going against the smaller Teams, but it would stop the wholesale throwing the kitchen sink of parts at the cars at the track. One way to help the smaller Teams would be to give them track testing time based on their finishing position as the season progresses, ie the bottom 6 Teams would get unlimited free track time, and money from F1 to reimburse the costs, in order to help them move up. The top 6 Teams would get zero track testing time as they are already at the top of the heap. The middle Teams would get some track testing time with some reimbursement of the costs, on a sliding scale, based on their position in the Team standings. MSchumacher said one thing that helped him win was the unlimited track testing time they could do, they had time to figure things out. Now with only limited days and ways they can test it's harder for the smaller Teams to figure things out.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 8, 2019 5:53:13 GMT -8
If they can limit the amount of resources used away from the track, I would like this. We've seen teams show up with two or three different variations of the front wing and figure it out at the track. I'd rather see them take an educated guess and possibly get it wrong. I just don't see how they can stop that though, last time they tried cost controls Red Bull outsourced lots of stuff, anything outsourced wasn't covered by the agreement, and kept winning. When the other Teams complained Red Bull said 'read the agreement' and the agreement was thrown away. If the cars can't evolve and get better and better as the weekend goes along then what's the point of it being F1? Having 5 different front wings IS silly though and can be addressed as can half a dozen different floors etc. I do like the way the cars and drivers get faster and faster as the weekend goes, showing there's no replacing actual seat time no matter how good your simulator is. Maybe the idea is you can bring only two of things and you can choose between them, but then limit Fridays FP1 to only 1 hour of actual testing time, and then extend FP2 to 2 hours of tweaking. No more parts changes to the car after FP1 unless the FIA agrees it's necessary and then only like for like. After that the FIA can start clamping down on the way things are 'adjusted' so only minor adjustments can be made not every single winglet having an adjuster etc. I'm not sure this still won't make the off track stuff more intensive, again going against the smaller Teams, but it would stop the wholesale throwing the kitchen sink of parts at the cars at the track. One way to help the smaller Teams would be to give them track testing time based on their finishing position as the season progresses, ie the bottom 6 Teams would get unlimited free track time, and money from F1 to reimburse the costs, in order to help them move up. The top 6 Teams would get zero track testing time as they are already at the top of the heap. The middle Teams would get some track testing time with some reimbursement of the costs, on a sliding scale, based on their position in the Team standings. MSchumacher said one thing that helped him win was the unlimited track testing time they could do, they had time to figure things out. Now with only limited days and ways they can test it's harder for the smaller Teams to figure things out. You want limits? Limit the TOTAL EMPLOYMENT of a F1 team to the mechanics and principals that show up at the track - Those individuals being required to design and build the car as well as screw it together - no outsourcing of any engineering function including engine manufacture. So we are looking at maybe 50 people total, being the team; that should be affordable.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jun 8, 2019 6:00:45 GMT -8
I just don't see how they can stop that though, last time they tried cost controls Red Bull outsourced lots of stuff, anything outsourced wasn't covered by the agreement, and kept winning. When the other Teams complained Red Bull said 'read the agreement' and the agreement was thrown away. If the cars can't evolve and get better and better as the weekend goes along then what's the point of it being F1? Having 5 different front wings IS silly though and can be addressed as can half a dozen different floors etc. I do like the way the cars and drivers get faster and faster as the weekend goes, showing there's no replacing actual seat time no matter how good your simulator is. Maybe the idea is you can bring only two of things and you can choose between them, but then limit Fridays FP1 to only 1 hour of actual testing time, and then extend FP2 to 2 hours of tweaking. No more parts changes to the car after FP1 unless the FIA agrees it's necessary and then only like for like. After that the FIA can start clamping down on the way things are 'adjusted' so only minor adjustments can be made not every single winglet having an adjuster etc. I'm not sure this still won't make the off track stuff more intensive, again going against the smaller Teams, but it would stop the wholesale throwing the kitchen sink of parts at the cars at the track. One way to help the smaller Teams would be to give them track testing time based on their finishing position as the season progresses, ie the bottom 6 Teams would get unlimited free track time, and money from F1 to reimburse the costs, in order to help them move up. The top 6 Teams would get zero track testing time as they are already at the top of the heap. The middle Teams would get some track testing time with some reimbursement of the costs, on a sliding scale, based on their position in the Team standings. MSchumacher said one thing that helped him win was the unlimited track testing time they could do, they had time to figure things out. Now with only limited days and ways they can test it's harder for the smaller Teams to figure things out. You want limits? Limit the TOTAL EMPLOYMENT of a F1 team to the mechanics and principals that show up at the track - Those individuals being required to design and build the car as well as screw it together - no outsourcing of any engineering function including engine manufacture. So we are looking at maybe 50 people total, being the team; that should be affordable. We had a regular traveling party of over 50 almost 30 years ago running 2 GTP cars, not counting those left behind in the fabrication, machine, composite shops and the office staff. I get your drift, and I like that direction, but 50 is MUCH too low a number.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 8, 2019 6:03:12 GMT -8
You want limits? Limit the TOTAL EMPLOYMENT of a F1 team to the mechanics and principals that show up at the track - Those individuals being required to design and build the car as well as screw it together - no outsourcing of any engineering function including engine manufacture. So we are looking at maybe 50 people total, being the team; that should be affordable. We had a regular traveling party of over 50 almost 30 years ago running 2 GTP cars, not counting those left behind in the fabrication, machine, composite shops and the office staff. I get your drift, and I like that direction, but 50 is MUCH too low a number. Whatever the number - they all must be at the track for every race.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jun 8, 2019 7:03:42 GMT -8
We had a regular traveling party of over 50 almost 30 years ago running 2 GTP cars, not counting those left behind in the fabrication, machine, composite shops and the office staff. I get your drift, and I like that direction, but 50 is MUCH too low a number. Whatever the number - they all must be at the track for every race. Can't do that without greatly increasing the volume of equipment and parts that travel. Someone has to stay behind to overnight things that may be needed. If everyone were to be at the track, no one would be at the facility to continue to build parts, assemblies, body parts, etc. The traveling race team can be on the road for weeks at a time. We had a 5 week road trip in 1990 and if no one was at the shop we could not have run the last of the 3 races. That concept will not work.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 8, 2019 7:07:25 GMT -8
Whatever the number - they all must be at the track for every race. Can't do that without greatly increasing the volume of equipment and parts that travel. Someone has to stay behind to overnight things that may be needed. If everyone were to be at the track, no one would be at the facility to continue to build parts, assemblies, body parts, etc. The traveling race team can be on the road for weeks at a time. We had a 5 week road trip in 1990 and if no one was at the shop we could not have run the last of the 3 races. That concept will not work. Cuts the expenditures - do you want 'economy' or don't you. We know what the top 3 teams want and what the bottom 3 teams can afford - and they are not the same things.
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Post by olderguysrule on Jun 8, 2019 7:17:08 GMT -8
it looks to me like zak brown needs to hit the gym. :-)
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Post by olderguysrule on Jun 8, 2019 7:42:37 GMT -8
this ones for placid. your on the track today. :-)
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