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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 3, 2019 13:20:25 GMT -8
Some fans act like this will prevent another Justin Wilson or Dan Wheldon. Some act as if they died in vain but they didn't. They both knew what they signed up for. You, as a driver, either accept the risks or go play golf instead. And you, as a fan, should be in favor of things to make it a bit safer, even if the visuals offend your sensibilities. You have no idea if Wheldon might have been saved by this, nor do I. No one does. Only you pretend to know. I'll bet if Wheldon had survived, he'd be the first to sign up to use one of these, kinda like Dale Sr would be using a HANS.
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Post by montybriscoe on Oct 3, 2019 13:36:09 GMT -8
Some fans act like this will prevent another Justin Wilson or Dan Wheldon. Some act as if they died in vain but they didn't. They both knew what they signed up for. You, as a driver, either accept the risks or go play golf instead. And you, as a fan, should be in favor of things to make it a bit safer, even if the visuals offend your sensibilities. You have no idea if Wheldon might have been saved by this, nor do I. No one does. Only you pretend to know. I'll bet if Wheldon had survived, he'd be the first to sign up to use one of these, kinda like Dale Sr would be using a HANS. I never said Wheldon would have been saved by such a device. I have heard others say that. I personally do not think anything could have saved him. I think with Justin Wilson, it was just bad luck. Same with Senna. A few more inches to the left or right, they would still be with us today. They just ran out of luck. If a driver no longer feels safe in an open cockpit, then they should get out. Go to NASCAR or IMSA. Racing is inherently dangerous, no matter how safe people try to make it. They know the risks. If they can no longer accept those risks, then they should quit.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 3, 2019 13:43:52 GMT -8
And you, as a fan, should be in favor of things to make it a bit safer, even if the visuals offend your sensibilities. You have no idea if Wheldon might have been saved by this, nor do I. No one does. Only you pretend to know. I'll bet if Wheldon had survived, he'd be the first to sign up to use one of these, kinda like Dale Sr would be using a HANS. I never said Wheldon would have been saved by such a device. I have heard others say that. I personally do not think anything could have saved him. I think with Justin Wilson, it was just bad luck. Same with Senna. A few more inches to the left or right, they would still be with us today. They just ran out of luck. If a driver no longer feels safe in an open cockpit, then they should get out. Go to NASCAR or IMSA. Racing is inherently dangerous, no matter how safe people try to make it. They know the risks. If they can no longer accept those risks, then they should quit. Perhaps I was not clear. I never implied that you thought Wheldon would have been saved by the halo/windscreen. No one has any idea if he would have. All I know is, if he had survived that crash and this was now a possibility, he'd sign up for it RIGHT NOW. Just like Dale Sr would a HANS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 16:08:21 GMT -8
'Open-Wheel/Open Cockpit' racing hasn't long to live if these misguided attempts to remove all danger from motor racing continue. Running on super-speedways at 200 MPH plus surrounded by reinforced chain-link fencing is just plain insane!
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Post by Spin on Oct 3, 2019 16:53:32 GMT -8
'Open-Wheel/Open Cockpit' racing hasn't long to live if these misguided attempts to remove all danger from motor racing continue. Running on super-speedways at 200 MPH plus surrounded by reinforced chain-link fencing is just plain insane! Don't be silly. It's more important to spend millions of dollars to be like Formula One. Cars in catch fencing? That improves ratings and gets looks on YouTube. (maybe a little...)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 17:17:56 GMT -8
"The danger? Well, of course. But you are missing a very important point. I think if any of us imagined - really imagined - what it would be like to go into a tree at 150 miles per hour we would probably never get into the cars at all, none of us. So it has always seemed to me that to do something very dangerous requires a certain absence of imagination." - Jean-Pierre Sarti - Don't you think Monza should restore the famous banked section of the track? Some NASCAR style catch-fencing would prevent tragedies such as Jean-Pierre Sarti (Yves Montand) going over the top into the trees in the 1966 film "Grand Prix".
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 3, 2019 19:06:33 GMT -8
Play golf??? no need to be rude Golf should be a full contact sport.
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Post by montybriscoe on Oct 4, 2019 4:59:33 GMT -8
"The danger? Well, of course. But you are missing a very important point. I think if any of us imagined - really imagined - what it would be like to go into a tree at 150 miles per hour we would probably never get into the cars at all, none of us. So it has always seemed to me that to do something very dangerous requires a certain absence of imagination." - Jean-Pierre Sarti - Don't you think Monza should restore the famous banked section of the track? Some NASCAR style catch-fencing would prevent tragedies such as Jean-Pierre Sarti (Yves Montand) going over the top into the trees in the 1966 film "Grand Prix". Sarti was very prophetic indeed.
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Post by truenorth on Oct 9, 2019 7:50:17 GMT -8
October 08, 2019 INDYCAR AEROSCREEN PASSES RAIN TEST AT BARBER MOTORSPORTS PARK There are two more tests remaining at Richmond and Sebring Curt Cavin Autoweek Simon Pagenaud and Ryan Hunter-Reay tested the new IndyCar aeroscreen in the rain on Monday at Barber. IndyCar staged its second on-track test of the new aeroscreen on Monday, this one at Barber Motorsports Park in Alabama, with one-time NTT IndyCar Series champions and Indianapolis 500 winners Ryan Hunter-Reay of Andretti Autosport and Simon Pagenaud of Team Penske. The innovative safety piece, developed by Red Bull Advanced Technologies, is designed to reduce the risk of driver injury from debris or other objects striking the cockpit area. The aeroscreen encompasses the cockpit and comprises a ballistic material anchored by titanium framework. All cars will have one during the 2020 season, beginning with the Firestone Grand Prix of St. Petersburg March 13-15. As was the case with last week's oval test at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, there were several items on the checklist at Barber Motorsports Park, including the process of a driver getting in and out of the car efficiently with the aeroscreen. The drivers who have tested it don’t see it being a problem. "A guy like me, who's 6 feet 2, I’ve got that down pat -- easy," Hunter-Reay said. “It’s something you’ll practice a lot,” said Team Penske’s Will Power, who like Hunter-Reay and Pagenaud has won an Indianapolis 500 and a season championship. “You think about how many times you get in an out (of the race car), you’ll get good at it. “I’d rather have it around my head than worry about if it’s a struggle to get out.” Chip Ganassi Racing driver Scott Dixon, a five-time series champion and 2008 Indianapolis 500 winner, agreed with Power. "I think you’re going to have to get in the car a little earlier,” he said. “It does take a little longer, but getting out was fine, actually.” Power suggested some form of a handle to assist with egress. Hunter-Reay also got to experiment using the aeroscreen in wet conditions as there were varying degrees of moisture during Monday's Barber test. "Tear-offs were good," he said. "Just like on your helmet, the more tear-offs you (use), the more warping effect there is -- same on the aeroscreen." Pagenaud was pleased with what he experienced at Barber. “IndyCar and Red Bull did a fantastic job, really,” he said. “We’re just fine-tuning (it). Mostly, air into the cockpit. The visibility is great. I think the car looks pretty futuristic, which I’m sure the kids will enjoy that. “It’s an evolution. It’s a great evolution into safety. It’s a new step for IndyCar going forward. As a driver, I can’t thank them enough for the effort to try to provide us better safety. We’re all going to have to get used to it, for sure, but all positive today.” Pagenaud also thought the rain wasn't a problem. "Honestly, felt great in the wet!" he said in a tweet. "Visibility might even be better than it would with the helmet alone as water seemed to disperse better on the aeroscreen!" Future tests are scheduled at Richmond Raceway on Oct. 15 (drivers will be Dixon and reigning series champion Josef Newgarden of Team Penske) and at Sebring International Raceway on Nov. 5 (with James Hinchcliffe of Arrow Schmidt Peterson Motorsports and Sebastien Bourdais of Dale Coyne Racing with Vasser-Sullivan). Aeroscreens are to be delivered to all NTT IndyCar Series teams prior to Christmas.
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Post by truenorth on Oct 9, 2019 16:13:02 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 16:38:11 GMT -8
^ Careful with your 'nads Simon! You're gonna need a looser racing suit!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 16:47:19 GMT -8
Looks kike a special "cradle" device there for entry/exit handrail?
Not good!
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 9, 2019 17:04:54 GMT -8
Lets see what the following car sees in that spray. Single car in the rain - BFD. The spray from the pack at the start?????????
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 9, 2019 20:42:23 GMT -8
With Rain X should be no more issue than a helmet visor
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Post by Spin on Oct 10, 2019 8:46:52 GMT -8
I’m going to try. But that may be the last straw.
F’n hideous...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 7:49:04 GMT -8
This looks like The Fly ("help meeeee")
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 19, 2019 11:26:32 GMT -8
With Rain X should be no more issue than a helmet visor Helmet visor you can swipe at with your hand and/or fingers when necessary - the shield only if you have orangutan arms.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 19, 2019 13:42:04 GMT -8
With Rain X should be no more issue than a helmet visor Helmet visor you can swipe at with your hand and/or fingers when necessary - the shield only if you have orangutan arms. That's why you use the RainX, so wiping isn't needed.
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Post by truenorth on Oct 19, 2019 15:42:56 GMT -8
AEROSCREEN PASSES ANOTHER TEST, THIS TIME AT RICHMOND By Curt Cavin Oct 15, 2019 RICHMOND, Va. -- Newly crowned NTT IndyCar Series champion Josef Newgarden is ready to use INDYCAR’s Aeroscreen even though the cockpit-protecting safety device still has another test scheduled before it is fully implemented for all cars competing next season. Newgarden got his first look at – and through – the Aeroscreen on Tuesday at Richmond Raceway, the site of the third of four tests of the device. The fourth test will be Nov. 5 at Sebring International Raceway with four-time Indy car champion Sebastien Bourdais of Dale Coyne Racing with Vasser-Sullivan and James Hinchcliffe of Arrow Schmidt Peterson Motorsports driving. Sebring is a road course, but it simulates street circuit conditions as INDYCAR visits at St. Petersburg, Long Beach, Detroit (two races) and Toronto in the 2020 season. “Perception-wise, it was a little different when I first got in (the car), but it took maybe 30 or 40 laps and after that you’re pretty used to it,” Newgarden said. “It’s pretty normal at this point.” The Aeroscreen will make its race debut March 13-15, 2020 at the Firestone Grand Prix of St. Petersburg and will be used in competition at all 17 races next season, including the June 26-27 event at Richmond Raceway. The sport held races on this 0.75-mile short oval from 2001-2009. INDYCAR President Jay Frye continues to be pleased with the process of developing the Aeroscreen. “We’ve learned something every time we’ve tested,” he said. “It’s about checking the boxes and once the teams get ahold of it they’ll make it even better. They’ll take it to a whole other level.” The Aeroscreen was developed by Red Bull Advanced Technologies to reduce the risk of driver injury from flying debris or other objects striking the cockpit area. Anchored by titanium framework, the Aeroscreen consists of a polycarbonate laminated screen that includes an anti-reflective coating on the interior of the screen, an anti-fogging device through an integral heating element and tear-offs, all of which will be produced by integrated third-party companies. The titanium framework mounts in three areas around the cockpit: the chassis centerline, two rear side mounts and roll hoop integration to provide enhanced load-bearing capabilities. The load bearing is expected to be 150 kilonewtons (kN), which equals the FIA load for the Halo design currently used in Formula One. A kilonewton is equal to approximately 225 pounds. INDYCAR has staged Aeroscreen tests at a superspeedway (Indianapolis Motor Speedway on Oct. 2) and a permanent road course (Barber Motorsports Park on Oct. 7). The Richmond test included five-time NTT IndyCar Series champion Scott Dixon, who participated in the Indianapolis test with Team Penske’s Will Power. In addition to testing Firestone tires Tuesday at Richmond, Dixon said the Aeroscreen works well on ovals and is nearly ready for action now. “A little different look with the Aeroscreen,” said the winner of Richmond races in 2003 and ’09. “It seems like everything is going well with all the testing (INDYCAR has) done. For sure (here), the car’s fine.” Newgarden and Dixon combined to turn 823 laps at Richmond. A focus of this test was to make driving the car a more enjoyable experience by redirecting the air flow with interior inlets. That was an improvement, Dixon said, “especially around the legs and body.” While the Aeroscreen adds about 50 pounds to the car, Newgarden said he noticed little difference between driving here and at Iowa Speedway, a similar short oval track. “When I first went out my perception of how much grip the car and how much control I had was slightly different, but I think that’s because it felt foreign,” he said. “You’re not used to having a screen over your head, but after 20 or 30 laps after you got used to it the car feels very similar in terms of how I drive the car or how the car feels compared to a place like Iowa or Gateway -- it feels very similar. “From a tuning standpoint, it didn’t take that much to get much to get it back into the correct window as far as the balance – the balance is very good even with the screen on. From that point I don’t think the cars are going to change that much going into next year.” Frye said INDYCAR will stage an open test at this track in late March, bringing all full-time competitors.
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Post by truenorth on Oct 19, 2019 15:44:46 GMT -8
A grouse hitting a windshield at 100kph sounds like a 303 beside your ear. What would be sound of a wheel hitting it?
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