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Post by truenorth on Sept 11, 2018 12:57:32 GMT -8
GP OCTO DI SAN MARINO E DELLA RIVIERA DI RIMINI
Moto3 Race Classification 2018
Misano Adriatico, Sunday, September 09, 2018
Pos. Points Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time/Gap
1 25 48 Lorenzo DALLA PORTA ITA Leopard Racing Honda 147.1 39'38.684
2 20 88 Jorge MARTIN SPA Del Conca Gresini Moto3 Honda 147.0 +0.058
3 16 21 Fabio DI GIANNANTONIO ITA Del Conca Gresini Moto3 Honda 147.0 +0.122
4 13 19 Gabriel RODRIGO ARG RBA BOE Skull Rider KTM 147.0 +0.822
5 11 84 Jakub KORNFEIL CZE Redox PruestelGP KTM 146.6 +6.553
6 10 75 Albert ARENAS SPA Angel Nieto Team Moto3 KTM 146.6 +6.859
7 9 10 Dennis FOGGIA ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 KTM 146.6 +7.315
8 8 40 Darryn BINDER RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo KTM 146.6 +7.380
9 7 16 Andrea MIGNO ITA Angel Nieto Team Moto3 KTM 146.5 +8.608
10 6 23 Niccolò ANTONELLI ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse Honda 146.5 +8.853
11 5 14 Tony ARBOLINO ITA Marinelli Snipers Team Honda 146.4 +10.408
12 4 7 Adam NORRODIN MAL Petronas Sprinta Racing Honda 146.4 +10.783
13 3 27 Kaito TOBA JPN Honda Team Asia Honda 145.4 +27.817
14 2 77 Vicente PEREZ SPA Reale Avintia Academy 77 KTM 145.3 +27.897
15 1 22 Kazuki MASAKI JPN RBA BOE Skull Rider KTM 145.3 +28.062
16 42 Marcos RAMIREZ SPA Bester Capital Dubai KTM 144.2 +47.155
17 81 Stefano NEPA ITA CIP - Green Power KTM 145.0 +34.385
18 41 Nakarin ATIRATPHUVAPAT THA Honda Team Asia Honda 144.2 +47.510
19 55 Yari MONTELLA ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse Honda 144.2 +47.577
20 3 Kevin ZANNONI ITA TM Racing Factory 3570 MTA TM RACING 140.6 1 Lap
Not Classified
12 Marco BEZZECCHI ITA Redox PruestelGP KTM 147.1 2 Laps
24 Tatsuki SUZUKI JPN SIC58 Squadra Corse Honda 146.4 4 Laps
17 John MCPHEE GBR CIP - Green Power KTM 143.0 12 Laps
5 Jaume MASIA SPA Bester Capital Dubai KTM 139.5 22 Laps
44 Aron CANET SPA Estrella Galicia 0,0 Honda 139.3 22 Laps
71 Ayumu SASAKI JPN Petronas Sprinta Racing Honda 139.2 22 Laps
33 Enea BASTIANINI ITA Leopard Racing Honda 138.9 22 Laps
8 Nicolo BULEGA ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 KTM 138.1 22 Laps
72 Alonso LOPEZ SPA Estrella Galicia 0,0 Honda 136.0 22 Laps
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Post by truenorth on Sept 11, 2018 12:58:18 GMT -8
GP OCTO DI SAN MARINO E DELLA RIVIERA DI RIMINI Moto2 Race Classification 2018
Misano Adriatico, Sunday, September 09, 2018
Pos. Points Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time/Gap 1 25 42 Francesco BAGNAIA ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 Kalex 154.4 41'02.106 2 20 44 Miguel OLIVEIRA POR Red Bull KTM Ajo KTM 154.2 +3.108 3 16 23 Marcel SCHROTTER GER Dynavolt Intact GP Kalex 154.2 +4.094 4 13 54 Mattia PASINI ITA Italtrans Racing Team Kalex 154.0 +6.320 5 11 36 Joan MIR SPA EG 0,0 Marc VDS Kalex 154.0 +6.728 6 10 7 Lorenzo BALDASSARRI ITA Pons HP40 Kalex 153.8 +9.470 7 9 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA + Ego Speed Up Racing Speed Up 153.7 +12.068 8 8 41 Brad BINDER RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo KTM 153.7 +12.134 9 7 9 Jorge NAVARRO SPA Federal Oil Gresini Moto2 Kalex 153.3 +17.425 10 6 97 Xavi VIERGE SPA Dynavolt Intact GP Kalex 153.1 +21.986 11 5 24 Simone CORSI ITA Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2 Kalex 152.9 +24.701 12 4 87 Remy GARDNER AUS Tech 3 Racing Tech 3 152.8 +25.582 13 3 77 Dominique AEGERTER SWI Kiefer Racing KTM 152.8 +25.760 14 2 5 Andrea LOCATELLI ITA Italtrans Racing Team Kalex 152.8 +26.718 15 1 2 Jesko RAFFIN SWI Temporary Lavorint SAG Team Kalex 152.5 +31.168 16 16 Joe ROBERTS USA NTS RW Racing GP NTS 152.0 +38.707 17 4 Steven ODENDAAL RSA NTS RW Racing GP NTS 152.0 +39.432 18 73 Alex MARQUEZ SPA EG 0,0 Marc VDS Kalex 152.0 +39.551 19 27 Iker LECUONA SPA Swiss Innovative Investors KTM 152.0 +40.436 20 64 Bo BENDSNEYDER NED Tech 3 Racing Tech 3 151.8 +41.814 21 66 Niki TUULI FIN Petronas Sprinta Racing Kalex 151.5 +48.043 22 89 Khairul Idham PAWI MAL IDEMITSU Honda Team Asia Kalex 151.1 +53.390 23 95 Jules DANILO FRA Nashi Argan SAG Team Kalex 150.4 +1'05.605 24 21 Federico FULIGNI ITA Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2 Kalex 149.8 +1'16.602 25 18 Xavi CARDELUS AND Team Stylobike Kalex 148.9 +1'31.250 Not Classified 40 Augusto FERNANDEZ SPA Pons HP40 Kalex 151.7 4 Laps 62 Stefano MANZI ITA Forward Racing Team Suter 152.0 7 Laps 45 Tetsuta NAGASHIMA JPN IDEMITSU Honda Team Asia Kalex 152.3 10 Laps 12 Sheridan MORAIS POR Willi Race Racing Team Kalex 134.4 12 Laps 22 Sam LOWES GBR Swiss Innovative Investors KTM 152.2 14 Laps 10 Luca MARINI ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 Kalex 152.5 16 Laps 52 Danny KENT GBR + Ego Speed Up Racing Speed Up 137.7 24 Laps Excluded 13 Romano FENATI ITA Marinelli Snipers Team Kalex 0 Lap
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Post by truenorth on Sept 11, 2018 12:59:06 GMT -8
GP OCTO DI SAN MARINO E DELLA RIVIERA DI RIMINI MotoGP Race Classification 2018
Misano Adriatico, Sunday, September 09, 2018
Pos. Points Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time/Gap 1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 162.6 42'05.426 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 162.4 +2.822 3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 162.1 +7.269 4 13 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 161.7 +14.687 5 11 25 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 161.6 +16.016 6 10 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.5 +17.408 7 9 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 161.4 +19.086 8 8 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 161.2 +21.804 9 7 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Angel Nieto Team Ducati 161.1 +23.919 10 6 5 Johann ZARCO FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 160.8 +27.559 11 5 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Alma Pramac Racing Ducati 160.7 +30.698 12 4 21 Franco MORBIDELLI ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda 160.5 +32.941 13 3 30 Takaaki NAKAGAMI JPN LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda 160.5 +33.461 14 2 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 160.3 +35.686 15 1 51 Michele PIRRO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 160.3 +35.812 16 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 159.7 +46.500 17 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Ducati Team Ducati 159.7 +46.614 18 43 Jack MILLER AUS Alma Pramac Racing Ducati 159.4 +50.593 19 55 Hafizh SYAHRIN MAL Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 159.1 +55.168 20 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Angel Nieto Team Ducati 158.7 +1'02.255 21 45 Scott REDDING GBR Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 158.2 +1'09.475 22 12 Thomas LUTHI SWI EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda 158.1 +1'12.608 23 23 Christophe PONSSON FRA Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 153.1 1 Lap Not Classified 6 Stefan BRADL GER HRC Honda Team Honda 160.0 10 Laps 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 158.9 10 Laps 10 Xavier SIMEON BEL Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 151.1 25 Laps
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Post by truenorth on Sept 11, 2018 13:00:29 GMT -8
MotoGP World Standing 2018 Sept 8 Pos. Rider Bike Nation Points 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 221 2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 154 3 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 151 4 Jorge LORENZO Ducati SPA 130 5 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 124 6 Cal CRUTCHLOW Honda GBR 119 7 Johann ZARCO Yamaha FRA 110 8 Danilo PETRUCCI Ducati ITA 110 9 Andrea IANNONE Suzuki ITA 92 10 Alex RINS Suzuki SPA 79 11 Dani PEDROSA Honda SPA 76 12 Alvaro BAUTISTA Ducati SPA 64 13 Jack MILLER Ducati AUS 61 14 Tito RABAT Ducati SPA 35 15 Pol ESPARGARO KTM SPA 32 16 Franco MORBIDELLI Honda ITA 26 17 Hafizh SYAHRIN Yamaha MAL 24 18 Aleix ESPARGARO Aprilia SPA 19 19 Bradley SMITH KTM GBR 15 20 Takaaki NAKAGAMI Honda JPN 14 21 Scott REDDING Aprilia GBR 12 22 Mika KALLIO KTM FIN 6 23 Karel ABRAHAM Ducati CZE 4 24 Michele PIRRO Ducati ITA 1 25 Thomas LUTHI Honda SWI 26 Stefan BRADL Honda GER 27 Xavier SIMEON Ducati BEL 28 Sylvain GUINTOLI Suzuki FRA 29 Christophe PONSSON Ducati FRA
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Post by truenorth on Sept 11, 2018 13:08:16 GMT -8
Fenati penalty: Italian suspended from two Grands PrixThe Moto2™ rider will not take part at Aragon or Buriram following Misano incident, Manzi also penalised At Misano, Romano Fenati (Marinelli Rivacold Snipers) was shown the Black Flag and disqualified from the Moto2™ race for irresponsible riding after an incident between the Italian and compatriot Stefano Manzi (Forward Racing Team). The FIM MotoGP™ Stewards decided to suspend Fenati from the next two Grands Prix following the offence, deemed serious. The penalty applies to the rider only, not the team - leaving the door open for a replacement to race. Manzi also recieved a penalty of six grid positions at his next race, and also for irresponsible riding, but that was for a different and earlier incident between the two at Turn 4. After the high-profile incident and Fenati's Black Flag, the premier class podium finishers were also asked for their thoughts on it in the MotoGP™ Press Conference – and Cal Crutchlow (LCR Honda Castrol) pulled no punches. Fenati out of MV Agusta and Forward Racing Team projectAgreement between MV Agusta Reparto Corse Forward Racing Team and Fenati terminated The serious misconduct by Romano Fenati towards Stefano Manzi during the Moto2™ race at the Gran Premio di San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini at Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli will have repercussions for the future, beyond the black flag shown to Fenati and the two-race ban imposed by Race Direction. MV Agusta will not be represented by Fenati in 2019, the year which will see the return of the Varese factory to Grand Prix motorcycle racing in the Moto2™ World Championship. The agreement between MV Agusta Reparto Corse Forward Racing Team and Romano Fenati has been terminated. "In all my years of watching sport, I have never seen behaviour as dangerous as this," says Giovanni Castiglioni, President of MV Agusta. "A rider who can act like this can never represent the values of our company, and our brand. For this reason, we do not want him to be the rider with which MV Agusta makes its return to the world championship." "After the disgraceful episode between Romano Fenati and Stefano Manzi, it is impossible for the team to maintain its planned collaboration with the rider from Ascoli for the 2019 season," adds Giovanni Cuzari, Team Owner. "Fenati's behaviour is incompatible with the sporting values of the Forward Racing Team and of MV Agusta. For this reason, though we bitterly regret it, we are forced to cancel our project with Fenati. Our sport is already extremely dangerous, and any act which increases the risks involved for the riders is intolerable. We cannot accept behaviour of this type from one of our future riders." FIM summons Moto2™ rider Romano Fenati to FIM HQ
Italian summoned to headquarters in Mies, Switzerland Following the incident in the Misano round of the FIM Moto2™ Grand Prix World Championship on Sunday 9 September involving Moto2™ rider Romano Fenati, the FIM President has summoned the Italian rider to the FIM Headquarters in Mies (Switzerland) to explain his conduct. In view of the egregious and shocking nature of Mr Fenati’s act, the FIM took the time needed to reflect on the incident, which has prompted strong emotions throughout the world of motorcycling and beyond. The FIM has decided to summon the rider to FIM HQ (Switzerland) in order to discuss the situation with him before taking any action the FIM may consider appropriate. Romano Fenati apologisesThe Italian has shared a statement and apology Romano Fenati has shared a statement following the incident during the Gran Premio Octo di San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini. The Italian was suspended for two Grands Prix and his contract with the Marinelli Snipers Team has been terminated. Here is the statement in full: "I apologise to the world of sport. This morning, with a lucid mind, I wish it had just been a bad dream. I think about and think back to those moments, I made a disgraceful gesture, I was not a man! A man would have finished the race and then he would have gone to Race Direction to try and get some justice for the preceding incident. I shouldn’t have reacted to provocation. The criticisms are correct and I understand the animosity towards me. I want to apologise to everyone who believed in me and all those who felt hurt by my action. A horrible image of me and of the sport has come out. I'm not like that, people who know me well know that! In my career, I've always been a just rider. Last year I was one of the few who was not penalised, I have never put someone else's life in jeopardy, on the contrary, I have always maintained that there are riders on the track who are dangeous because of their riding style. It's true, unfortunately I have an impulsive character, but my intention was certainly not to hurt a rider like me rather I wanted to make him understand that what he was doing was dangerous and how I could also have done something similar to what he did to me! I do not want to justify myself, I know that my actions were not justifiable, I just want to apologise to everyone. Now I will have time to reflect and clear my head."
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Post by truenorth on Sept 11, 2018 13:13:23 GMT -8
MVAgusta considers MattiaPasini for 2019: After splitting with Fenati. The Italian is at the top of the manufacturer's wish list. Di Giannantonio and Redding are also options.
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Post by truenorth on Sept 11, 2018 13:54:00 GMT -8
Dani Pedrosa will join KTM for 2019 as a test rider with the promise of no wildcards as he doesn’t wish to race
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Post by truenorth on Sept 11, 2018 15:52:32 GMT -8
From Bad To Worse: Romano Fenati Loses Racing License, Summoned To FIM
Submitted by David Emmett on Tue, 2018-09-11 23:00
Things are going poorly for Romano Fenati. His actions during Sunday's Moto2 race at Misano, when he reached over and squeezed Stefano Manzi's front brake, are having far-reaching repercussions.
On Sunday, the FIM Panel of Stewards penalized Fenati with a two-race ban. On Monday morning, he was sacked from his current Moto2 ride by the Marinelli Snipers Racing Team. On Monday afternoon, he also lost his 2019 ride with the MV Agusta Forward Racing Team.
More was to come on Tuesday. First, the Italian motorcycle federation FMI revoked Fenati's racing license for all sporting activities in Italy. This also renders him ineligible to compete in any international or world championship events, as international racing licenses are also issued by the national federation, which in Fenati's case is the FMI. He has been invited to a hearing on 14th September, at which he will have the right to representation by a lawyer.
Then, the FIM, the international motorcycling federation, summoned Fenati to the FIM headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, to explain his actions. In a press release, shown below, FIM president Vito Ippolito summoned Fenati to the FIM to here his side of the story, before considering further action against the Italian.
This seems outside of the normal course of events for disciplinary proceedings. Fenati could be referred directly to the FIM's highest court the International Disciplinary Court (CDI). If issued a penalty by the CDI, Fenati would have two more avenues for appeal.
It may not come to that. Today, Fenati told the Italian paper Il Resto Del Carlino that he intended to withdraw from racing, at least for the foreseeable future. He would complete his studies, and perhaps go and work in his grandmother's hardware store. He accepted his error - "I did the stupidest thing of my life" he told Il Resto Del Carlino - but insisted his intention had not been to harm Stefano Manzi.
Fenati had received death threats since the incident, he said. The press coverage of the incident had been overwhelming, even making the evening news in countries in which motorcycle racing is a niche sport. That coverage, and the outrage generated in online echo chambers, had whipped up some individuals so far as to make threats against Fenati's life.
Whatever the outcome of the FIM hearings, Fenati's racing career is at best on hold for a period of years rather than months, and at worst, finished permanently.
The FIM press release appears below:
The FIM summons Moto2 Rider Romano Fenati to FIM HQ
Following the incident in the Misano round of the FIM Moto2 Grand Prix World Championship on Sunday 9 September involving Moto2 rider Romano Fenati, the FIM President has summoned the Italian rider to the FIM Headquarters in Mies (Switzerland) to explain his conduct.
In view of the egregious and shocking nature of Mr Fenati’s act, the FIM took the time needed to reflect serenely on the incident, which has prompted strong emotions throughout the world of motorcycling and beyond.
The FIM has decided to summon the Rider to FIM HQ (Switzerland) in order to discuss the situation with him before taking any action the FIM may consider appropriate.
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Post by truenorth on Sept 12, 2018 8:36:12 GMT -8
Tom's Tech Treasures: Up Close With MotoGP Bikes At Misano Submitted by David Emmett on Wed, 2018-09-12 14:28 Thomas Morsellino is a French freelance journalist and photographer, with keen eye for the technical details of MotoGP bikes. You may have seen some of his work on Twitter, where he runs the @off_Bikes account. After every race, MotoMatters.com will be publishing a selection of Tom's photos of MotoGP bikes, together with technical explanations of the details. MotoMatters.com subscribers will get access to the full resolution photos, which they can download and study in detail, while readers who do not support the site will be limited to the 800x600 resolution photos. Thumb rear brake lever on Jorge Lorenzo’s Ducati GP18 Aerodynamic (large version) fairing used at Misano on Andrea Iannone's Suzuki GSX-RR Stefan Bradl’s Honda RC213V used at Misano, probably the 2019 version with a curved radiator Rear tyre temperature sensors on the KTM RC16 (Pol Espargaro) Battery of the KTM Moto2 bike Ride-by-wire throttle on Stefan Bradl’s RC213V. Throttle position is measured electronically, and sent to ECU to operate butterflies Danilo Petrucci’s front fork with the two brakes temperature sensors (small red sensor behind suspension reservoir) A mysterious part underneath the front of the fairing on Michele Pirro's Ducati GP18. Could it be a ballast weight? 6-axis accelerometer (Suzuki GSX-RR) that provides gives accurate information on lateral grip. This also helps to be more precise for vibration analysis and grip loss detection. Yamaha M1 electronics connector "hub" with wheel speed (SPD), suspension travel (SUS), brake temperature (BRK) and a fourth connector, with a cable marked TB
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Post by truenorth on Sept 12, 2018 12:28:24 GMT -8
Ippolito:"The FIM will not crucify Fenati, but in the future will show more severity" The President speaks: "It was an important disqualification, but it could get worse, this is the new line: more black flags, as in the Marquez-Rossi cases" Paolo Scalera Wed, 12/09/2018 Romano Fenati was summoned by the FIM to its headquarters in Switzerland to clarify the 'Misano affair', but the call is missing one important thing: the date. It is not even clear why the International Federation has called him, since the decision to disqualify him for the next two Grands Prix was taken by the federal judges in Misano. Whatever will be, in fact, the decision taken by the FIM, positive or negative, will be equivalent to a 'diminutio' of its own judges. All these questions, which deserved an answer given to us by the President of the FIM in person, Vito Ippolito, who read our open letter, reached us as soon as he landed in New York, where he will stay a few days, and then return in Switzerland just to be present at the meeting with Fenati. "One thing that I immediately want to clarify is the reason for the convocation of Romano Fenati - the President of the FIM anticipates - we did not call him to crucify him, but to listen to him . Our goal, in fact, is to make an objective analysis of the facts and then make a decision. It could remain all like this or be pejorative. But the intent is to close this story definitively because we did not like the media pillory we have witnessed on social media. It is not right. Probably the date of the hearing will be that of next Tuesday ". The fact remains that you will judge something already judged ... by your judges! "It is true, but the possibility of the FIM to intervene at any time, on any previous judgment has been a standard inserted at the time by Francesco Zerbi when he was President of the FIM. And I find it right. It is the Federation that must have the last word. And there's more. The panel of judges during the Grand Prix has a limited sphere of intervention because it has to decide in a very short period of time. This disqualification for two Grands Prix is already the highest punishment ever given. It is clear that for something more, or different, it must be the FIM itself to intervene. Let's say that the power of the panel reaches up to a certain point ". How will President be present at the hearing? "I will be back in Switzerland at the weekend. Let's say yes, I will be present together with the monocratic judge ". Did you read our open letter? "Yes I read it". What does he tell us about sprinkling his head with ashes (acknowledging having done something wrong)? Will this be the new attitude of the FIM in the future? The intransigence (unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something)? "Yes, this will be our future attitude and I will confess to you one thing: when there was the incident between Marquez and Rossi in Argentina, I was against the decision that was taken. I wanted the black flag. And when they told me, the result is the same, Marquez will not take points anyway, I replied: but the signal from the outside is very different! In fact, a black flag does not mean just zero points. It means that a serious offense has been committed ". All very clear. What is the position compared to the past, then? Would Valentino Rossi also deserve a black flag at Sepang in the old case with Marc Marquez, when he slowed down and caused him to fall? Warning: we are not talking about the supposed kick. Probably that there was not, but the cause-effect principle is incontrovertible. "Unfortunately on that occasion there was still the infamous points system. I did not like that system because it dismissed the judges. Then they said: Rossi already has a point; if I remember well taken Misano, we give him three more, goes to four and starts from the bottom of the line. This type of reasoning does not assign the right responsibilities. Then on that occasion there was the appeal of Valentino to the TAS of Lausanne, and at that point the FIM could do nothing more. We could no longer enter into merit. But the principle of cause and effect was there, even if Marquez did not fall from a kick, but because Marc is Marc and after being taken out of the trajectory he still wanted to accelerate to get himself out of the situation. We have seen those movies a thousand times. " If one shoots out of the New Year's window to hear 'bang' and the bullet hits someone, he is still responsible. "Of course, correct". So for the future we have to expect an intransigent FIM, ready to punish any behavior outside the rules in the bud? "Yes, it is".
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Post by Placid on Sept 12, 2018 13:36:21 GMT -8
I do not think that DCR will save him.
OH WAIT... we are talking about bikes.
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Post by truenorth on Sept 12, 2018 13:56:24 GMT -8
What's DCR? Bikes are inferior to something?
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Post by truenorth on Sept 13, 2018 9:20:56 GMT -8
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