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Post by Zytes on Feb 12, 2024 13:18:54 GMT -8
Welcome to the first points race(s) of the 2024 Nascar Cup Series SeasonThe Duel(s) at Daytona 500
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Post by Zytes on Feb 12, 2024 13:21:01 GMT -8
A little 500/Duels at Daytona primer...
"Daytona 500 qualifying format; Bluegreen Vacations Duels procedure
Once again, the NASCAR Cup Series kicks off the new season with the sport’s premier crown-jewel event, the 66th running of the Daytona 500. The “Great American Race” qualifying format includes two rounds of single-car qualifying, while the Bluegreen Vacations Duels set the 40-car grid.
What time is Daytona 500 single-car qualifying? A random draw on Tuesday afternoon determines the order in which the cars will roll off pit road for single-car qualifying. The qualifying session will begin Wednesday, Feb. 14 (8:15 p.m. ET, FS1, MRN Radio, SiriusXM NASCAR Radio).
Each driver will run one timed lap around the 2.5-mile Florida superspeedway. The top 10 fastest drivers in Round 1 will advance to Round 2 to fight for the Busch Light Pole. Then, the two fastest qualifiers will lock themselves on the front row for Sunday’s Daytona 500 (2:30 p.m. ET, FOX, MRN Radio, SiriusXM NASCAR Radio). The rest of the lineup for the “Great American Race” will be determined by Thursday night’s Duels.
The last 11 Daytona 500 pole awards belong to Chevrolet drivers. Hendrick Motorsports has claimed the last eight of 11 poles. Alex Bowman is the most recent pole winner.
How do the Duels set the starting lineup for the Daytona 500? The Bluegreen Vacations Duels consist of two 150-mile qualifying races that set positions third to 40th in the Daytona 500. Each duel will be 60 laps long. Lineups for each duel are set from Tuesday night’s single-car qualifying session, with drivers finishing in an odd-position on the speed chart (first, third, fifth, etc.) lining up for Duel 1, and those from an even-position (second, fourth, sixth, etc) racing in Duel 2.
The format is similar for the Daytona 500 itself. The finishing order from Duel No. 1 will make up the inside rows for the Daytona 500. Then, those participating in Duel No. 2 will complete the outside rows for the “Great American Race.” Remember, the starting front row for the Daytona 500 was previously determined via single-car qualifying.
Bluegreen Vacations Duel No. 1 is set to get underway Thursday, Feb. 15 (7 p.m. ET, FS1, MRN Radio, SiriusXM NASCAR Radio). Meanwhile, Duel No. 2 is tentatively scheduled for 8:45 p.m. ET (FS1, MRN Radio, SiriusXM NASCAR Radio).
Can non-chartered teams qualify for the Daytona 500? Yes. There are 36 guaranteed spots in the Daytona 500 for the chartered teams in the 40-car field. This means four non-chartered teams will make the race.
In single-car qualifying, the top two fastest non-chartered teams will lock themselves into the Daytona 500. These teams will not have to worry about racing their way in through the Bluegreen Vacations Duels because they can fall back on speed if needed.
The highest-finishing non-chartered team in each Duel race will secure a spot in the Daytona 500. If the highest-finishing non-chartered team already earned a spot in the field from single-car qualifying, then the next fastest non-chartered team from single-car qualifying can lock into the Daytona 500 on speed.
There are expected to be at least 41 entries for the 66th running of the Daytona 500, which means one non-chartered team will pack it up after Thursday night. Drivers that will have to race their way into the main event are seven-time Cup Series champion and Hall of Famer Jimmie Johnson, Anthony Alfredo, BJ McLeod, Kaz Grala and David Ragan.
Are points awarded in the Duels? The top-10 finishers in each Bluegreen Vacations Duel will be rewarded points that count toward the regular season. However, no playoff points will be awarded to the winners of each Duel race.
The winning driver of each Duel race will receive 10 points. Second place will earn nine points and so on down to the 10th-place finishers, who will get one point."
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Post by Zytes on Feb 12, 2024 14:05:22 GMT -8
From Jayski on Twitter (X)
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Post by DanicaFan on Feb 18, 2024 6:18:09 GMT -8
Looks like rain today...
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Post by bluegrass on Feb 18, 2024 6:36:08 GMT -8
Bob Pockrass @bobpockrass Daytona 500 is POSTPONED because of rain to 4 p.m. ET Monday on FOX. So Xfinity at 11 a.m. ET Monday on FS1, then Daytona 500 follows at 4 p.m. on FOX.
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Post by Zytes on Feb 19, 2024 11:32:42 GMT -8
Daytona safety crew doing a tribute to Juan Pablo, 'cept no flames.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Feb 19, 2024 13:42:07 GMT -8
Keselowski. Shocking.
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Post by 333sps on Feb 19, 2024 13:44:13 GMT -8
Damn. Six laps in and a caution already, and some people think it don’t get any better than this!
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Post by hairyscotsman on Feb 19, 2024 16:41:45 GMT -8
Pack racing is so stupid, but I guess it's what NASCAR wants. A blind person could have seen that coming.
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Post by mmi16 on Feb 19, 2024 17:18:03 GMT -8
I'd love to see a Daytona 500 without 'the big one'.
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Post by thirddegree on Feb 19, 2024 19:29:50 GMT -8
No real caution (stage breaks don't count to me, nor should they exist) from Lap 10 to Lap 192 was wild. They made up for it though.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Feb 19, 2024 19:44:10 GMT -8
I'd love to see a Daytona 500 without 'the big one'. Indeed. I see some people on other forums saying this is all on the drivers, but the drivers aren't driving in a pack because that's what they want to do. When the cars can't separate and spread out, you end up with pack racing no matter what the drivers do. Then, even if everyone tries to do everything right, it'll still typically end up in a 'Big One'. It wasn't always like this, and the drivers back then were every bit as aggressive as these guys are. Everyone who was paying attention could see this pileup coming. We see it over and over and over. This is why I rarely watch NASCAR for going on 30 years now, after being a huge fan the first half of my life. I just have no interest in watching a huge pack of cars circulate for 3-4 hours, all going the same speed, bumper to bumper, waiting for a big one. I want to see the best teams and drivers be able to separate from the rest and see the differences between all the cars' performance levels. This shit is a lottery.
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Post by noonesfan18 on Feb 19, 2024 22:28:42 GMT -8
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Unfortunately for people like yourself, far too many brainless zombies in the community (fandumb) enjoy the demo derby. 9.5 out of 10 races are demo derbies. NASCAR puts drivers in a box, however, drivers are responsible for their actions. After what happened to Ryan Newman in 2020, you think there would be self-reflection going on, someone to speak up. Not one of them did. If they don't care then I don't care.
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Post by mmi16 on Feb 20, 2024 7:08:17 GMT -8
^ Unfortunately for people like yourself, far too many brainless zombies in the community (fandumb) enjoy the demo derby. 9.5 out of 10 races are demo derbies. NASCAR puts drivers in a box, however, drivers are responsible for their actions. After what happened to Ryan Newman in 2020, you think there would be self-reflection going on, someone to speak up. Not one of them did. If they don't care then I don't care. Racers are blinded by the red mist that happens when they strap their helmet on. Remember, the breed has grown from the traditions where multiple 'name' drivers would meet their end of life yearly - normally under the most gruesome of conditions. Racers want to race, will little regard for the conditions.
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Post by DanicaFan on Feb 20, 2024 9:42:36 GMT -8
^ Unfortunately for people like yourself, far too many brainless zombies in the community (fandumb) enjoy the demo derby. 9.5 out of 10 races are demo derbies. NASCAR puts drivers in a box, however, drivers are responsible for their actions. After what happened to Ryan Newman in 2020, you think there would be self-reflection going on, someone to speak up. Not one of them did. If they don't care then I don't care. Racers are blinded by the red mist that happens when they strap their helmet on. Remember, the breed has grown from the traditions where multiple 'name' drivers would meet their end of life yearly - normally under the most gruesome of conditions. Racers want to race, will little regard for the conditions. Before the "safe" cars, drivers didn't act like a bunch of dumb-asses on the track. When the possibility of getting seriously hurt or killed was more likely, there was a lot more give-and-take.
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Post by BigDad on Feb 20, 2024 10:18:50 GMT -8
Let's not forget Fox catering to the wreck-lovers. Did anyone else notice the "When will the Big One happen?" graphic they threw up after at least 1 commercial break?
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Post by r60man on Feb 20, 2024 10:55:10 GMT -8
The Talladega race after Dale sr. died at Daytona had zero caution flags. People said it was boring and that there was no excitement. Every sane person was on pins and needles waiting for the big one that never came. It showed that you could have a "plate race" with pack racing and no "big ones", but for many it was boring.
Personally I would love for both of the big super speedways to be bulldozed and replaced with a flatter track that requires lifting in the corners and allows cars to separate from each other. That is a pipe dream that will never happen.
As for yesterday's race the action was pretty good but the "big one" killed the pleasure for me. I like seeing almost as many cars that start finish the race.
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Post by mmi16 on Feb 20, 2024 14:52:47 GMT -8
The Talladega race after Dale sr. died at Daytona had zero caution flags. People said it was boring and that there was no excitement. Every sane person was on pins and needles waiting for the big one that never came. It showed that you could have a "plate race" with pack racing and no "big ones", but for many it was boring. Personally I would love for both of the big super speedways to be bulldozed and replaced with a flatter track that requires lifting in the corners and allows cars to separate from each other. That is a pipe dream that will never happen. As for yesterday's race the action was pretty good but the "big one" killed the pleasure for me. I like seeing almost as many cars that start finish the race. Any 'race track' that can be negotiated without braking, is no longer a race track, it is combination dynometer/wind tunnel experiment.
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Post by noonesfan18 on Feb 21, 2024 17:06:43 GMT -8
The Talladega race after Dale sr. died at Daytona had zero caution flags. People said it was boring and that there was no excitement. Every sane person was on pins and needles waiting for the big one that never came. It showed that you could have a "plate race" with pack racing and no "big ones", but for many it was boring. Bobby Hamilton won that race. The guy had to have oxygen given to him because of the amount of work he put in during that race (it May have been a hot day too). NASCAR's last caution-free race was in 2002 at Talladega. The last time the Daytona 500 finished under green was in 2017.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Feb 21, 2024 17:31:17 GMT -8
So, there's a whole lot more racing brainpower on this forum than I possess, so I'll ask y'all: How do you fix NASCAR and get rid of pack racing? (Assuming that they would ever actually do that. I don't assume that at all, but I was wondering what it would take if they did decide enough is enough)
Daytona didn't always produce pack racing. My simplistic mind says to reshape the rules so that the cars are able to separate, but what changes to the cars/engines would it take to achieve that without changing the tracks?
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