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Post by DanicaFan on Feb 11, 2024 13:53:40 GMT -8
We can only hope he doesn't change his avatar again. LMAO!! Guess I should have mentioned post 32.
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Post by woodnboats on Feb 11, 2024 19:01:33 GMT -8
See, I was talking about them murdering and enslaving each other. And none of this nonsense should be applied today.
That was then; this is now. What was done to indigenous people was wrong, but also inevitable...then, and should not be the basis for essentially meaningless attempts to set apart groups as separate from the rest of society, allowed to be protected from havings feelings hurt by language. We should all be above that. If I am hurt by being called a kraut or a kike, I need to look to myself to understand why that is so, not how to prevent it from happening. Especially so when the reference is only oblique, and intended to be complimentary, as in Indians, which strictly speaking refers to people from an entirely different continent. I saw this hand-writing on the wall 30 years ago when a well-meaning friend gave my six year old daughter a bowdlerized version of Huckleberry Finn, apparently never having read what Twain, a staunch abolitionist, said about the language in it, without which the meaning of the story is lost. Time for some of us to grow up.
And if we have to concern ourselves with names, how about not using numbers to designate corners, etc, except maybe for maybe Turn 8 in Hungary. Visualize Ste Devote at Monaco. See? You don't even have to know what track it's on to see Perez sticking it in the barrier. Now try the same for Turn 4 at Hungary, or even Turn A at Monaco (hint; you already answered the second one).
It's when the actual people that the teams name is referencing ask for it to be changed that you grow up and show some respect, after all we're not talking about literature being sanitized (or omitted like whats happening in a certain southern state), we're talking about a sports team. And name the city that named their team the two words you cited, bet you can't. Actual people shouldn't have any such "right" to have their feelings be respected, especially when the costs involved in doing so are so high (new uniforms, logo stationery, souvenirs, to say nothing of the heritage of fan identification). Especially if a name such as "Indians" can hardly be called disrespectful, and was never intended to be. If such a "right" can be said to exist, then I demand that the posters on this and every other board stop twisting themselves in knots trying to come up combinations of singular and plural pronouns which make grammatical sense. My sixth grade teacher, were she still alive, would be insulted in the extreme to find that her years of careful teaching the importance of clarity in communication had been buried under such nonsensical attempts at satisfying whiners with a forum. It's a bald-faced attempt to hijack the language, and should never have been tolerated. I bet the name Redskins as used by the Team Formerly Known As is copyrighted, and should have been respected as such.
I'm not sure what the "name the city" sentence referred to, but I guess you meant Cleveland (baseball) and Washington (foo'ball). As a Yankee fan of 70 years standing, I of course have nothing but contempt for Cleveland, and as a fan of sports generally, I feel the same way about the 'Skins.
What "literature" is being "sanitized". Guess I missed that.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Feb 12, 2024 0:16:29 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Feb 12, 2024 4:25:43 GMT -8
The air intakes on both this car and the previous one shown, Minardi, are very small. One thing I read in the Minardi release was that they had 'overpressurization' of the intake at certain times, I guess smaller intakes would solve that.
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Post by pushtopass on Feb 12, 2024 4:53:52 GMT -8
It's when the actual people that the teams name is referencing ask for it to be changed that you grow up and show some respect, after all we're not talking about literature being sanitized (or omitted like whats happening in a certain southern state), we're talking about a sports team. And name the city that named their team the two words you cited, bet you can't. Actual people shouldn't have any such "right" to have their feelings be respected, especially when the costs involved in doing so are so high (new uniforms, logo stationery, souvenirs, to say nothing of the heritage of fan identification). Especially if a name such as "Indians" can hardly be called disrespectful, and was never intended to be. If such a "right" can be said to exist, then I demand that the posters on this and every other board stop twisting themselves in knots trying to come up combinations of singular and plural pronouns which make grammatical sense. My sixth grade teacher, were she still alive, would be insulted in the extreme to find that her years of careful teaching the importance of clarity in communication had been buried under such nonsensical attempts at satisfying whiners with a forum. It's a bald-faced attempt to hijack the language, and should never have been tolerated. I bet the name Redskins as used by the Team Formerly Known As is copyrighted, and should have been respected as such.
I'm not sure what the "name the city" sentence referred to, but I guess you meant Cleveland (baseball) and Washington (foo'ball). As a Yankee fan of 70 years standing, I of course have nothing but contempt for Cleveland, and as a fan of sports generally, I feel the same way about the 'Skins.
What "literature" is being "sanitized". Guess I missed that.
Wood; you need to read the news more! Not to speak for jmjgt, but I think he was asking for any town that had ever named its teams The Kikes or The Krauts. it's easy to toss those out for examples, but they aren't good examples because it is just a hypothetical. And Florida is the answer to the question "where is literature being sanitized", though elsewhere, too. Football teams would barely need to change their uniforms at all! As it is, even college teams pull out different jersey's throughout the season. The jersey rarely says the name of the team. Compared to other costs for running a team, it's not that pricey to change names.
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Post by Red_Hercules on Feb 12, 2024 8:05:04 GMT -8
Actual people shouldn't have any such "right" to have their feelings be respected, especially when the costs involved in doing so are so high (new uniforms, logo stationery, souvenirs, to say nothing of the heritage of fan identification). Especially if a name such as "Indians" can hardly be called disrespectful, and was never intended to be. If such a "right" can be said to exist, then I demand that the posters on this and every other board stop twisting themselves in knots trying to come up combinations of singular and plural pronouns which make grammatical sense. My sixth grade teacher, were she still alive, would be insulted in the extreme to find that her years of careful teaching the importance of clarity in communication had been buried under such nonsensical attempts at satisfying whiners with a forum. It's a bald-faced attempt to hijack the language, and should never have been tolerated. I bet the name Redskins as used by the Team Formerly Known As is copyrighted, and should have been respected as such.
I'm not sure what the "name the city" sentence referred to, but I guess you meant Cleveland (baseball) and Washington (foo'ball). As a Yankee fan of 70 years standing, I of course have nothing but contempt for Cleveland, and as a fan of sports generally, I feel the same way about the 'Skins.
What "literature" is being "sanitized". Guess I missed that.
Wood; you need to read the news more! Not to speak for jmjgt, but I think he was asking for any town that had ever named its teams The Kikes or The Krauts. it's easy to toss those out for examples, but they aren't good examples because it is just a hypothetical. And Florida is the answer to the question "where is literature being sanitized", though elsewhere, too. Football teams would barely need to change their uniforms at all! As it is, even college teams pull out different jersey's throughout the season. The jersey rarely says the name of the team. Compared to other costs for running a team, it's not that pricey to change names. Being selective about what History can be taught is another sign of our times.
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Post by racerman967 on Feb 12, 2024 11:39:23 GMT -8
Actual people shouldn't have any such "right" to have their feelings be respected, especially when the costs involved in doing so are so high (new uniforms, logo stationery, souvenirs, to say nothing of the heritage of fan identification). Especially if a name such as "Indians" can hardly be called disrespectful, and was never intended to be. If such a "right" can be said to exist, then I demand that the posters on this and every other board stop twisting themselves in knots trying to come up combinations of singular and plural pronouns which make grammatical sense. My sixth grade teacher, were she still alive, would be insulted in the extreme to find that her years of careful teaching the importance of clarity in communication had been buried under such nonsensical attempts at satisfying whiners with a forum. It's a bald-faced attempt to hijack the language, and should never have been tolerated. I bet the name Redskins as used by the Team Formerly Known As is copyrighted, and should have been respected as such.
I'm not sure what the "name the city" sentence referred to, but I guess you meant Cleveland (baseball) and Washington (foo'ball). As a Yankee fan of 70 years standing, I of course have nothing but contempt for Cleveland, and as a fan of sports generally, I feel the same way about the 'Skins.
What "literature" is being "sanitized". Guess I missed that.
Wood; you need to read the news more! Not to speak for jmjgt, but I think he was asking for any town that had ever named its teams The Kikes or The Krauts. it's easy to toss those out for examples, but they aren't good examples because it is just a hypothetical. And Florida is the answer to the question "where is literature being sanitized", though elsewhere, too. Football teams would barely need to change their uniforms at all! As it is, even college teams pull out different jersey's throughout the season. The jersey rarely says the name of the team. Compared to other costs for running a team, it's not that pricey to change names. The Rockies Have a minor league team named the Spokane Indians but the team is 50% owned by the Salish Indain community.
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Post by pushtopass on Feb 12, 2024 11:54:31 GMT -8
Wood; you need to read the news more! Not to speak for jmjgt, but I think he was asking for any town that had ever named its teams The Kikes or The Krauts. it's easy to toss those out for examples, but they aren't good examples because it is just a hypothetical. And Florida is the answer to the question "where is literature being sanitized", though elsewhere, too. Football teams would barely need to change their uniforms at all! As it is, even college teams pull out different jersey's throughout the season. The jersey rarely says the name of the team. Compared to other costs for running a team, it's not that pricey to change names. The Rockies Have a minor league team named the Spokane Indians but the team is 50% owned by the Salish Indain community. Exactly. It can be fine to call your own group something but not want people outside of the group to say that. We do it all the time.
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 12, 2024 12:11:34 GMT -8
I'm not sure what the "name the city" sentence referred to, but I guess you meant Cleveland (baseball) and Washington (foo'ball). As a Yankee fan of 70 years standing, I of course have nothing but contempt for Cleveland, and as a fan of sports generally, I feel the same way about the 'Skins.
What "literature" is being "sanitized". Guess I missed that. I was asking what city named their sports team "kraut or kike", i asked because that's the same as naming a team "Redskins", They "looked to see why it was happening" and it was because of accepted tolerance of a racial slur. I could care less if they have to change their uniforms, especially in light of the fact that most teams do that every half decade or so anyway. The problem with Cleveland wasn't the name as much as the team's slogan and mascot being a stereotypical caricature of a native American. Neither the Atlanta Braves or Florida Seminoles have strong detractors, and neither would have Washington if the had used the name Potomac's instead. And you brought up Huckleberry Finn being "bowdlerized", and now you don't have any idea "what literature" i'm talking about. Are you being deliberately obtuse here?
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 12, 2024 12:18:08 GMT -8
The Rockies Have a minor league team named the Spokane Indians but the team is 50% owned by the Salish Indain community. Exactly. It can be fine to call your own group something but not want people outside of the group to say that. We do it all the time. Exactly, i cringe every time i hear younger member of my people call each other the "N" word because i grew up in a time where that was used in a lot of violent acts against us (and also by us), and my parents were still carrying the weight of those even harder times associated with those words as they raised me. I have NO problem striking certain words and phases from the worlds lexicon, the problem is the sentiments that brought those words about still linger and actively make up new one's daily. It's unfortunately who we are.
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Post by olderguysrule on Feb 13, 2024 6:44:42 GMT -8
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Post by olderguysrule on Feb 13, 2024 6:51:04 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 13, 2024 12:48:03 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Feb 13, 2024 14:55:18 GMT -8
^I'm thinking that's a leaf spring front suspension.
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 13, 2024 15:14:22 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 13, 2024 15:17:26 GMT -8
^I'm thinking that's a leaf spring front suspension. They all already use torsion bar springs like an old Chrysler so i guess that would be the next step (backwards).
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Post by hairyscotsman on Feb 13, 2024 16:01:32 GMT -8
Nice video. Thanks for posting! I thought the bit about the split lines was especially interesting.
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Post by olderguysrule on Feb 13, 2024 16:54:29 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 13, 2024 18:58:03 GMT -8
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Post by olderguysrule on Feb 14, 2024 10:19:45 GMT -8
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