|
|
Post by Sabrina81 on Sept 3, 2023 7:37:27 GMT -8
It's a street race so there is hope for it not to be 11 in a row.
Monza was a thing. Sainz tried hard.
Discuss!
|
|
|
|
Post by mikey on Sept 3, 2023 13:41:33 GMT -8
Will the FIA come out with a Directive that no more 5 second end of race penalties will be handed out but instead a minimum of a drive thru the pits penalty will be enforced instead?
I think Max will bide his time and end up being #1 again, his car is just faster than the other front runners, Albon could be faster but he still makes too many little mistakes.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pistola on Sept 3, 2023 21:47:11 GMT -8
RB can clinch the constructors in Singapore. Max will need a little more time but if his lead is up to 180 pts in Japan it will be done.
|
|
|
|
Post by racerman967 on Sept 4, 2023 16:57:23 GMT -8
Will the FIA come out with a Directive that no more 5 second end of race penalties will be handed out but instead a minimum of a drive thru the pits penalty will be enforced instead? I think Max will bide his time and end up being #1 again, his car is just faster than the other front runners, Albon could be faster but he still makes too many little mistakes. I think all penalties should be served within 2 laps of being handed out. The 10 second penalty served 20 laps later on a pit stop is less of a penalty. Lewis should have gotten something more equal to what he inflicted on Piastri |
|
|
|
Post by mmi16 on Sept 4, 2023 22:02:42 GMT -8
Will the FIA come out with a Directive that no more 5 second end of race penalties will be handed out but instead a minimum of a drive thru the pits penalty will be enforced instead? I think Max will bide his time and end up being #1 again, his car is just faster than the other front runners, Albon could be faster but he still makes too many little mistakes. I think all penalties should be served within 2 laps of being handed out. The 10 second penalty served 20 laps later on a pit stop is less of a penalty. Lewis should have gotten something more equal to what he inflicted on Piastri Justice delayed is justice denied. |
|
|
|
Post by pushtopass on Sept 5, 2023 4:13:07 GMT -8
Though actually the 5-second penalty is essentially active right away. But I get what you mean; I wish they had a penalty box rather than having to pit. Someplace where a car can screech to a stop. Wait five seconds and then tear out again onto the track. Driving through the pit lane is too long of a penalty for most infractions, I think.
My wife really wants to go to Singapore some day so it is a race that I might one day attend :-)
|
|
|
|
Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 5, 2023 10:39:29 GMT -8
Just penalize them positions in the final classification. Been saying this for years, and now it seems to finally be gaining some traction in the message boards at least.
|
|
|
|
Post by mikey on Sept 5, 2023 12:20:42 GMT -8
Just penalize them positions in the final classification. Been saying this for years, and now it seems to finally be gaining some traction in the message boards at least. But how do you decide how many places, it's usually bad driving that gets the 5 second penalty ie not going thru the exit ramp when you miss the corner, going off track too often, speeding in pit lane etc, though Lewis got it for his failure to be able to control his own car when close to another car. If I use Lewis as an example do they penalize him one position, he actually made up 3 or 4 times that by the end of the race? Do you penalize the guy who goes wide 4 times in the course of a race 1 position as well when by going wide he could have made up 2 or 3 positions? it also wouldn't be fair to say okay you were in 9th place when you got your penalty so we are taking away your podium and making you 9th. |
|
|
|
Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 5, 2023 12:38:59 GMT -8
Just penalize them positions in the final classification. Been saying this for years, and now it seems to finally be gaining some traction in the message boards at least. But how do you decide how many places, it's usually bad driving that gets the 5 second penalty ie not going thru the exit ramp when you miss the corner, going off track too often, speeding in pit lane etc, though Lewis got it for his failure to be able to control his own car when close to another car. If I use Lewis as an example do they penalize him one position, he actually made up 3 or 4 times that by the end of the race? Do you penalize the guy who goes wide 4 times in the course of a race 1 position as well when by going wide he could have made up 2 or 3 positions? it also wouldn't be fair to say okay you were in 9th place when you got your penalty so we are taking away your podium and making you 9th. That would be up to far smarter people than me to decide. I saw one poster suggest that what are now 5s and 10s penalties could be replaced by 1 position and 3 position penalties, or something like that ... or they could be added to the penalty arsenal along with time penalties. The huge difference would be that these penalties would actually be hard, significant penalties that could not be clawed back on the track. Those teeth in them would make for a greater deterrent imho. |
|
|
|
Post by 333sps on Sept 5, 2023 12:48:22 GMT -8
Though actually the 5-second penalty is essentially active right away. But I get what you mean; I wish they had a penalty box rather than having to pit. Someplace where a car can screech to a stop. Wait five seconds and then tear out again onto the track. Driving through the pit lane is too long of a penalty for most infractions, I think. My wife really wants to go to Singapore some day so it is a race that I might one day attend :-) The penalty box is pretty effective in IMSA racing. The issue is, is it a stop and go or five seconds? Because an idled hot F1 engine is basically cooked if it sits too long. |
|
|
|
Post by pushtopass on Sept 5, 2023 13:34:28 GMT -8
Though actually the 5-second penalty is essentially active right away. But I get what you mean; I wish they had a penalty box rather than having to pit. Someplace where a car can screech to a stop. Wait five seconds and then tear out again onto the track. Driving through the pit lane is too long of a penalty for most infractions, I think. My wife really wants to go to Singapore some day so it is a race that I might one day attend :-) The penalty box is pretty effective in IMSA racing. The issue is, is it a stop and go or five seconds? Because an idled hot F1 engine is basically cooked if it sits too long. I think it should be something that makes the total lost time five seconds. Maybe it is like MotoGP does with the loop or whatever it is called. This is my problem with the pit-lane drive-through; it makes the penalty pretty drastic (especially if you are twenty seconds clear of a fairly bunched pack). And honestly the current system adds some spice as well. It is a great incentive to haul ass and get five seconds clear of the car behind. |
|
|
|
Post by 333sps on Sept 5, 2023 14:18:47 GMT -8
The penalty box is pretty effective in IMSA racing. The issue is, is it a stop and go or five seconds? Because an idled hot F1 engine is basically cooked if it sits too long. I think it should be something that makes the total lost time five seconds. Maybe it is like MotoGP does with the loop or whatever it is called. This is my problem with the pit-lane drive-through; it makes the penalty pretty drastic (especially if you are twenty seconds clear of a fairly bunched pack). And honestly the current system adds some spice as well. It is a great incentive to haul ass and get five seconds clear of the car behind. I remember all too well the debacle at the Canadian Grand Prix between Vettel and Hamilton where Vettel was assessed the five second penalty and the guys on tv said would be fine if he maintains a 5.1 or higher gap to the car behind. I still think he was shafted! |
|
|
|
Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 5, 2023 14:46:31 GMT -8
I think it should be something that makes the total lost time five seconds. Maybe it is like MotoGP does with the loop or whatever it is called. This is my problem with the pit-lane drive-through; it makes the penalty pretty drastic (especially if you are twenty seconds clear of a fairly bunched pack). And honestly the current system adds some spice as well. It is a great incentive to haul ass and get five seconds clear of the car behind. I remember all too well the debacle at the Canadian Grand Prix between Vettel and Hamilton where Vettel was assessed the five second penalty and the guys on tv said would be fine if he maintains a 5.1 or higher gap to the car behind. I still think he was shafted! It was a stupid penalty anyway. The runoff there is self-policing. |
|
|
|
Post by mmi16 on Sept 5, 2023 15:38:31 GMT -8
Though actually the 5-second penalty is essentially active right away. But I get what you mean; I wish they had a penalty box rather than having to pit. Someplace where a car can screech to a stop. Wait five seconds and then tear out again onto the track. Driving through the pit lane is too long of a penalty for most infractions, I think. My wife really wants to go to Singapore some day so it is a race that I might one day attend :-) The penalty box is pretty effective in IMSA racing. The issue is, is it a stop and go or five seconds? Because an idled hot F1 engine is basically cooked if it sits too long. They can last 5 seconds - 5 minutes would be iffy. |
|
jmjgt
Member
Posts: 3,316
|
Post by jmjgt on Sept 5, 2023 18:54:43 GMT -8
The penalty box is pretty effective in IMSA racing. The issue is, is it a stop and go or five seconds? Because an idled hot F1 engine is basically cooked if it sits too long. I think it should be something that makes the total lost time five seconds. Maybe it is like MotoGP does with the loop or whatever it is called. This is my problem with the pit-lane drive-through; it makes the penalty pretty drastic (especially if you are twenty seconds clear of a fairly bunched pack). And honestly the current system adds some spice as well. It is a great incentive to haul ass and get five seconds clear of the car behind. 2 seconds is a complete joke for careless driving like that, it should be at least 10 if the other car can continue undamaged, 20 if a major part is broken but the car can continue and 30 if the car has to pit to replace parts. If you knock a car out of the race you have to lose places, it ridiculous that changing a part earns grid drops but driving like a clown is only worth a literal slap on the wrist. |
|
|
|
Post by Pistola on Sept 5, 2023 21:11:29 GMT -8
|
|
|
|
Post by kingfisher on Sept 6, 2023 19:48:13 GMT -8
These complaints about "penalties" sound all too familiar and keep reemerging every time an egregious or particularly controversial outcome occurs.
Face it, look no further than the sanctioning body to place the ultimate judgment and consequently, ultimate blame for the inconsistent punishments.
The inane reliance upon "stewards of the day" which guarantees inconsistent implementation only illuminates the idiocy of the governing body's doctrine itself.
Driving infractions are nothing new to this sport (especially since Senna came onto the scene), and the governing body has had more than ample time to refine and determine logical and meaningful penalties for them. Yet they conveniently choose to delegate them to these transitory stewards which change from track to track.
While certain situations may be deemed a "racing incident" absolving blame to either or any driver(s), other ones such as initiating or instigating an avoidable collision needs a predetermined penalty to be enforced within 1 lap. That means the driver(s) are forced to come into the pits for the duration of the penalty. Should the penalty exceed the time duration of any number of botched pitstops we've witnessed ~ like 10 to 15 seconds, the teams could employ the radiator cooling fans they place on the cars after the pre-grid installation lap.
The truth is we've not seen any comprehensive and incontrovertible resolution to the common on-track infractions by the governing body.
Inexcusable for the "pinnacle of motorsport" where billions of dollars and millions of people are involved.
|
|
|
|
Post by Red_Hercules on Sept 7, 2023 12:51:30 GMT -8
RB can clinch the constructors in Singapore. Max will need a little more time but if his lead is up to 180 pts in Japan it will be done. I did not know that. Interesting. I wonder how ratings will fare for the rest of the races? |
|
|
|
Post by pushtopass on Sept 7, 2023 13:10:47 GMT -8
RB can clinch the constructors in Singapore. Max will need a little more time but if his lead is up to 180 pts in Japan it will be done. I did not know that. Interesting. I wonder how ratings will fare for the rest of the races? I've never cared that much (about who is WDC) and my interest is still high. Lots of good racing to be had all through the season IMHO. |
|
|
|
Post by mmi16 on Sept 7, 2023 13:53:35 GMT -8
RB can clinch the constructors in Singapore. Max will need a little more time but if his lead is up to 180 pts in Japan it will be done. I did not know that. Interesting. I wonder how ratings will fare for the rest of the races? I watch for the spectacle and the racing - not the championships. |
|
