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Post by mmi16 on Mar 19, 2023 13:05:14 GMT -8
Since SPONSORS are the BIG movers in NASCAR
Why are points awarded to Drivers, when the are pushing different sponsors each week.
Points ought to be awarded to the SPONSOR Livery that cross the finish line.
Sponsors are being dissed in comparison to drivers.
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Post by chernaudi on Mar 19, 2023 16:11:54 GMT -8
Blame the team owners living beyond their means and sponsors not ponying up the cash due to NASCAR's popularity fading back to what it was 25 years ago.
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Post by noonesfan18 on Mar 19, 2023 16:59:57 GMT -8
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This. Teams want more money, yet they haven't proven to live within their means for the past 15+ years (in reality it goes back to the mid-2000s). If they truly cared about their bottom line, they would cut all the staff they have hired since 2016, get rid of all the stuff in their shops that NASCAR has at its R&D center and fine their clowns for driving like clowns at Superspeedway races.
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Post by r60man on Mar 20, 2023 6:38:28 GMT -8
Since SPONSORS are the BIG movers in NASCAR Why are points awarded to Drivers, when the are pushing different sponsors each week. Points ought to be awarded to the SPONSOR Livery that cross the finish line. Sponsors are being dissed in comparison to drivers. How many sponsors actually run a full season anymore? I can not think of one car that does not have secondary and tertiary sponsors. That makes this suggestion, silly.
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 20, 2023 8:04:40 GMT -8
Since SPONSORS are the BIG movers in NASCAR Why are points awarded to Drivers, when the are pushing different sponsors each week. Points ought to be awarded to the SPONSOR Livery that cross the finish line. Sponsors are being dissed in comparison to drivers. How many sponsors actually run a full season anymore? I can not think of one car that does not have secondary and tertiary sponsors. That makes this suggestion, silly. Makes the suggestion just that more pointed - what sponsor is getting 1st Place value for the money they are spending! If NASCAR is truly 'sponsor driven' then the sponsors need to be 'pointed'.
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Post by r60man on Mar 21, 2023 6:18:52 GMT -8
Sponsors are on the cars to RTI, return on investment. Its all about impressions. Every time you see a sponsor on a car it creates an impression in your mind. Oh, the Tide car springs to mind. The tide car driven by Ricky Rudd, then Waltrip was on track for many many years. Every time you saw the car on TV, every lap is counted BTW. So if the car performs well, leads alot, etc. The more they are on TV the more people see them, the more impressions. In the end NASCAR fans tend to be pretty loyal, to teams, drivers, and even sponsors. When Tony Stewart drove for Home Depot we never went to Lowes.
Point is the sponsors already get points. Every time we see the driver, or he says the name in an interviews, etc.
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 21, 2023 6:41:48 GMT -8
Sponsors are on the cars to RTI, return on investment. Its all about impressions. Every time you see a sponsor on a car it creates an impression in your mind. Oh, the Tide car springs to mind. The tide car driven by Ricky Rudd, then Waltrip was on track for many many years. Every time you saw the car on TV, every lap is counted BTW. So if the car performs well, leads alot, etc. The more they are on TV the more people see them, the more impressions. In the end NASCAR fans tend to be pretty loyal, to teams, drivers, and even sponsors. When Tony Stewart drove for Home Depot we never went to Lowes. Point is the sponsors already get points. Every time we see the driver, or he says the name in an interviews, etc. Points that only the sponsors are counting - not the relative point standings between sponsors. Tide and Budweiser's own points accounting do not challenge each other in the marketplace. Nobody is buying Budweiser to do their laundry and nobody is buying Tide to swig down at a party; but from a NASCAR perspective it would be interesting to see the actual championship points each sponsor's cars accumulate. Needless to say, those that sponsor for the entire season 'should' have a better point standing than those that only sponsor for select events.
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Post by Spin on Mar 22, 2023 11:40:52 GMT -8
These new cars are designed to be equally meh at all tracks ("plate", superspeedway, Charlotte clones, mile ovals, short tracks, dirt, and road courses. It significantly cut down on teams needing 15-20 cars for each driver, and out of control R&D. They had a common engine too, until Ford and Toyota said they wanted their own bullets (funny since Chevy won the first 4 points races).
From what I've heard it's actually working, and should work its way down to the lower ranks. The days of $mega-million sponsorships is gone in all sports/motorsports, attendance is down. The sport seems more competitive so far. IndyCar has been doing the same thing with (two) chassis and pretty-much spec engines.
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 22, 2023 12:49:42 GMT -8
These new cars are designed to be equally meh at all tracks ("plate", superspeedway, Charlotte clones, mile ovals, short tracks, dirt, and road courses. It significantly cut down on teams needing 15-20 cars for each driver, and out of control R&D. They had a common engine too, until Ford and Toyota said they wanted their own bullets (funny since Chevy won the first 4 points races). From what I've heard it's actually working, and should work its way down to the lower ranks. The days of $mega-million sponsorships is gone in all sports/motorsports, attendance is down. The sport seems more competitive so far. IndyCar has been doing the same thing with (two) chassis and pretty-much spec engines. So - awarding points to the Sponsor is the incentive for more sustained Sponsor participation - ESPECIALLY when it comes to The Chase. Being able to announce to the World that the 'Dingleberry Technologies Toyota' is the 2023 NASCAR Champion - IF Dingleberry Tech. was the main sponsor for the year AND was on the car for the Chase victory(s). The epitome of 'pay to play'.
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Post by noonesfan18 on Mar 22, 2023 21:15:22 GMT -8
Okay... whoever the driver's primary sponsor is that wins the championship is the NASCAR title sponsor for a year.
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Post by r60man on Mar 23, 2023 4:21:20 GMT -8
Okay... whoever the driver's primary sponsor is that wins the championship is the NASCAR title sponsor for a year. And has to pay NASCAR the big bucks for that? Fat chance, and no way no how is NASCAR giving up that chunk of change for the "Sponsor Championship".
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Post by kidrybot on Mar 23, 2023 13:39:38 GMT -8
the whole chaseoff system is STOOOPID
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 23, 2023 13:47:48 GMT -8
Okay... whoever the driver's primary sponsor is that wins the championship is the NASCAR title sponsor for a year. And has to pay NASCAR the big bucks for that? Fat chance, and no way no how is NASCAR giving up that chunk of change for the "Sponsor Championship". If a sponsor were smart, they would start claiming their championship!
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