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Post by kidrybot on Jul 13, 2022 16:24:17 GMT -8
Rumors around now that Cheap has inquired about TK's availability this weekend. If the Ganasshole parks him the rest of the year could SPAM run him in their 3rd car? There is an extra fulltime Chevy engine that has been put out to pasture with the 11 team suspending operation.... Ricky Ardo has tweetered that he is "committed" to McLaren until the end of next year and "not walking away from the sport" but is McLaren committed to him? Where does this leave Felix the Cat? Seasonist silly we've had in forever!
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Post by kidrybot on Jul 13, 2022 16:39:31 GMT -8
This has been in the works for some time it sounds like. Palou possibly has an F1 "out-clause" in his contract, but at the same time e CGR has an option clause to keep him on for another year (not certain of contract specifics of course but pretty sure that the option gets them a Championship winning driver at a reduced cost). A lot of this is about $$$$$ of course ("Always follow the money....") It sounds like Palou informed CGR that he had found a new home and Chip flipped his lid, and exercised the option (why they hadn't done this before?) to force Macca's hand in the situation and get some money out of the deal.
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Post by Sabrina81 on Jul 13, 2022 17:21:57 GMT -8
This has been in the works for some time it sounds like. Palou possibly has an F1 "out-clause" in his contract, but at the same time e CGR has an option clause to keep him on for another year (not certain of contract specifics of course but pretty sure that the option gets them a Championship winning driver at a reduced cost). A lot of this is about $$$$$ of course ("Always follow the money....") It sounds like Palou informed CGR that he had found a new home and Chip flipped his lid, and exercised the option (why they hadn't done this before?) to force Macca's hand in the situation and get some money out of the deal. LOL Cheap being cheap probably figured to let the lawyers sort it out and it might force McLaren F1's hand with Daniel Ricky Bobby.
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Post by Grizzlor on Jul 13, 2022 18:32:17 GMT -8
I didn't realize Ericsson had this ride buyer rep. He seemed fine in the meat grinder that is F1 and was just part of the churn of drivers that aren't Max Verstappen.
Well it's a fact, Marcus is providing the budget for the 8 car. He's done a magnificent job there, but that's what's happening. Ganassi would legit park an Indy winner if there's no budget.
As for Kanaan, not sure why Ganassi would turn to him? Hunter-Reay has been a full time driver for years now. Both of them will be in Missouri with SRX this weekend, and next weekend in Ohio. At least that was the plan.
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Post by boiler on Jul 13, 2022 18:35:07 GMT -8
Tin hat on, Zak hires Alex as an F1 "reserve driver" and parks him in Indycar for a "year".... Does that clause say he needs to be a full time driver or a sim jockey?
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Post by Grizzlor on Jul 14, 2022 4:56:30 GMT -8
Tin hat on, Zak hires Alex as an F1 "reserve driver" and parks him in Indycar for a "year".... Does that clause say he needs to be a full time driver or a sim jockey? We have no clue if there even IS such a clause! I listened to about 40 mins of the current Marshall Pruett Podcast, and he mentioned that the paddock talk was Palou wanted a raise AND a path to F1. This was a topic for many months this year. some writers like Nathan Brown of Indianapolis Star believe it's very possible Ganassi will invoke a non-compete of some kind, and Palou will be prevented from racing IndyCar next year. At point, idk what McLaren do with him? Unless they somehow know that Ricciardo is actually quitting F1 which publicly hasn't been evident. Penske invoked the non-compete for engineer Gavin Ward when he left for AMSP, but this is a driver much more visible. One would assume Ganassi will play vehement hard ball before accepting a buyout. Having a pissed off driver makes no sense, and it seems very un-Chip like to pay one to sit on the sidelines.
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Post by kidrybot on Jul 14, 2022 15:03:07 GMT -8
^Alex Lloyd might have a different opinion, but there was a lack of sponsorship to put him in a full time gig when he was under contract The way O'Ward put it to David Land was they race where Zak Brown tells them to race (keep in mind Pato was rewarded with a new contract for finishing 2nd in the Champions Hip last year and Ganasshole dicked around with Palou), so think about that regarding Ricky Ardo.
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Post by Grizzlor on Jul 18, 2022 5:42:55 GMT -8
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Post by thirddegree on Jul 18, 2022 5:56:36 GMT -8
Palou is a shoe, but I'd rather Zak put Herta in the F1 car. He at least deserves an FP1 run.
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Post by Power Fan79 on Jul 18, 2022 6:11:16 GMT -8
It seems as if Kanaan knew about this a while back so Palou signing months ago seems very plausible.
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Post by Spin on Jul 27, 2022 11:44:39 GMT -8
And in this episode of As The Stomach Turns... Ganassi Team Sues PalouCan you do that, if he hasn't broke the contract yet?
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Post by Grizzlor on Jul 29, 2022 7:00:13 GMT -8
I think the general gist is this.... 1. Early 2022...Alex (we assume) discussed potential changes to his deal with Ganassi with a goal of a new extension. 2. Later in Spring....Palou team contacted by McLaren (a la Dixon was). Offered more money, the possibility of Formula 1, and to facilitate Alex and his fiance returning to Spain. Not sure of his preference to commute from Spain being in the Ganassi discussion? Would it be off limits? Scott Dixon and family travel to/from UK regularly. 3. Post-Indy 500...Ganassi team likely gave Palou side a "take it or leave it" stance, after which the discussion with McLaren really heated up. Whether McLaren are to be believed or not, but they likely felt that Palou was a "free agent," and well along with leaving CGR. 4. Sometime in late June...Palou reaches agreement with McLaren, and informs CGR of his intention to leave. Chip reacts negatively and decides, well he's not getting away that easily, and informs the world that the team option was picked up, and he's under contract. McLaren issue their release, again it seems under the assumption from the Palou camp that he is NOT under contract with Chip. 5. And here we are.... Now, here's my quick thoughts. Had Alex Palou signaled to Chip Ganassi that he was no longer interested in competing in IndyCar and wished to return to Europe, whether that was in Formula One, Formula E, Rally, whatever, I think Chip would have tried his best but eventually allowed him out of the contract. Ganassi is not a tyrant. The giant STOP sign here is McLaren and Zak Brown. Ganassi is fed up with him, and will not do anyone favors when it comes to him or AMSP. Heck Roger Penske prevented engineer Gavin Ward from working there for 6 months when he left! It's really that simple, and I think Palou's team hoodwinked a naive driver into this position. Can it be resolved, I don't know? I think Palou himself just wants out, and he either has to somehow idk secure a loan to get out of that CGR deal. It won't be cheap, and frankly Zak Brown has no reason to pay it.
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 30, 2022 19:54:35 GMT -8
I think the general gist is this.... 1. Early 2022...Alex (we assume) discussed potential changes to his deal with Ganassi with a goal of a new extension. 2. Later in Spring....Palou team contacted by McLaren (a la Dixon was). Offered more money, the possibility of Formula 1, and to facilitate Alex and his fiance returning to Spain. Not sure of his preference to commute from Spain being in the Ganassi discussion? Would it be off limits? Scott Dixon and family travel to/from UK regularly. 3. Post-Indy 500...Ganassi team likely gave Palou side a "take it or leave it" stance, after which the discussion with McLaren really heated up. Whether McLaren are to be believed or not, but they likely felt that Palou was a "free agent," and well along with leaving CGR. 4. Sometime in late June...Palou reaches agreement with McLaren, and informs CGR of his intention to leave. Chip reacts negatively and decides, well he's not getting away that easily, and informs the world that the team option was picked up, and he's under contract. McLaren issue their release, again it seems under the assumption from the Palou camp that he is NOT under contract with Chip. 5. And here we are.... Now, here's my quick thoughts. Had Alex Palou signaled to Chip Ganassi that he was no longer interested in competing in IndyCar and wished to return to Europe, whether that was in Formula One, Formula E, Rally, whatever, I think Chip would have tried his best but eventually allowed him out of the contract. Ganassi is not a tyrant. The giant STOP sign here is McLaren and Zak Brown. Ganassi is fed up with him, and will not do anyone favors when it comes to him or AMSP. Heck Roger Penske prevented engineer Gavin Ward from working there for 6 months when he left! It's really that simple, and I think Palou's team hoodwinked a naive driver into this position. Can it be resolved, I don't know? I think Palou himself just wants out, and he either has to somehow idk secure a loan to get out of that CGR deal. It won't be cheap, and frankly Zak Brown has no reason to pay it. I thought Palou made Austin TX his home. Not the Ganassi HQ.
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Post by Sabrina81 on Jul 31, 2022 19:49:27 GMT -8
And in this episode of As The Stomach Turns... Ganassi Team Sues PalouCan you do that, if he hasn't broke the contract yet? Interestingly - I think the contract says they are supposed to go to arbitration so interesting that Chip went to court anyway. My completely incomplete, brain dead analysis based on random things I have read is Palou is getting paid $200,000 a year with no bonuses for wins or the championship. He talked to Cheap who didn't want to do an upgraded deal as a part of picking up the extension (which again through god knows where I read that his contract cannot be extended without Palou agreeing hence the big competing press release mess). His contract did have an out to go to F1 so when Mclaren came calling he was like yay I am free. And by him, I mean the trust of people who manage his career. The Mclaren deal is worth millions so writing Cheap a check for $200,000 isn't that bad and in theory Alex would have to agree to the third year extension which lolcano he clearly didn't. The other piece is that Ganassi sponsors want Palou in the car so here were are as they were like Chip you are letting the champ just walk. Everyone who has time - please dissect my information! Also I read a random story about this where they said JJ had a chance at the Indycar championship, which seems like real fake news.
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Post by kidrybot on Aug 2, 2022 14:43:23 GMT -8
I thought Palou made Austin TX his home. Not the Ganassi HQ. Just curious as to where you heard that. He has generally lived where he races, i.e. when in Super Formula he was in Japan.
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Post by kidrybot on Aug 2, 2022 14:47:01 GMT -8
And in this episode of As The Stomach Turns... Ganassi Team Sues PalouCan you do that, if he hasn't broke the contract yet? Interestingly - I think the contract says they are supposed to go to arbitration so interesting that Chip went to court anyway. My completely incomplete, brain dead analysis based on random things I have read is Palou is getting paid $200,000 a year with no bonuses for wins or the championship. He talked to Cheap who didn't want to do an upgraded deal as a part of picking up the extension (which again through god knows where I read that his contract cannot be extended without Palou agreeing hence the big competing press release mess). His contract did have an out to go to F1 so when Mclaren came calling he was like yay I am free. And by him, I mean the trust of people who manage his career. The Mclaren deal is worth millions so writing Cheap a check for $200,000 isn't that bad and in theory Alex would have to agree to the third year extension which lolcano he clearly didn't. The other piece is that Ganassi sponsors want Palou in the car so here were are as they were like Chip you are letting the champ just walk. Everyone who has time - please dissect my information! Also I read a random story about this where they said JJ had a chance at the Indycar championship, which seems like real fake news. The only people making money out of this deal are the lawyers. Palou's team is going federal on this bitch. www.wishtv.com/sports/palou-attorneys-move-to-bring-ganassi-case-to-federal-court-may-seek-counterclaim-for-defamation/
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 2, 2022 16:32:05 GMT -8
I thought Palou made Austin TX his home. Not the Ganassi HQ. Just curious as to where you heard that. He has generally lived where he races, i.e. when in Super Formula he was in Japan. Dinner with Racers dinnerwithracers.com/ep-198-alex-palou/
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Post by kidrybot on Aug 2, 2022 16:42:48 GMT -8
must admit i haven't listened/watched this eppy
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