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Post by olderguysrule on Nov 8, 2021 3:42:46 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 8, 2021 4:58:34 GMT -8
The typical loser mantra - Could've, Should've, Would've. |
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Post by jfme on Nov 8, 2021 5:07:55 GMT -8
Bottas did as told. Get off the line slow enough to have Lulu catch up. Problem was Max was fast off the line and Riccardo clipped him.
Hamilton better grabs from his bootstraps and consistenly outpeform his teammate by a juicy margin, like Max has been doing throghout the season. Sending Bottas to the back with a new engine does not cut it anymore.
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Post by r60man on Nov 8, 2021 6:57:53 GMT -8
With Perez finely getting the handle of the Red Bull, gotta feel bad for Lewis. (LOL), I mean Bottas gets a demotion to Alfa next year, what exactly is Bottas motivation to follow Mercs orders? None, they have shown him the door. If I were him I would go out and try to win these last two races, why not?
Meanwhile Max and Perez seem to work well together as teammates. These last two races should be a lot of fun.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Nov 8, 2021 7:18:06 GMT -8
With Perez finely getting the handle of the Red Bull, gotta feel bad for Lewis. (LOL), I mean Bottas gets a demotion to Alfa next year, what exactly is Bottas motivation to follow Mercs orders? None, they have shown him the door. If I were him I would go out and try to win these last two races, why not? Meanwhile Max and Perez seem to work well together as teammates. These last two races should be a lot of fun. There are Brazil, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi yet to go, 4 of the next 5 weekends. |
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 8, 2021 9:51:27 GMT -8
With Perez finely getting the handle of the Red Bull, gotta feel bad for Lewis. (LOL), I mean Bottas gets a demotion to Alfa next year, what exactly is Bottas motivation to follow Mercs orders? None, they have shown him the door. If I were him I would go out and try to win these last two races, why not? Meanwhile Max and Perez seem to work well together as teammates. These last two races should be a lot of fun. I am surprised with MB kicking Bottas to the curb that they haven't actually replaced him with their reserve driver whomever that may be. |
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Post by r60man on Nov 8, 2021 9:58:33 GMT -8
With Perez finely getting the handle of the Red Bull, gotta feel bad for Lewis. (LOL), I mean Bottas gets a demotion to Alfa next year, what exactly is Bottas motivation to follow Mercs orders? None, they have shown him the door. If I were him I would go out and try to win these last two races, why not? Meanwhile Max and Perez seem to work well together as teammates. These last two races should be a lot of fun. There are Brazil, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi yet to go, 4 of the next 5 weekends. Oops, for some reason I thought there were only two. Thanks for the heads up. |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 8, 2021 11:22:46 GMT -8
Bottas did as told. Get off the line slow enough to have Lulu catch up. Problem was Max was fast off the line and Riccardo clipped him. Hamilton better grabs from his bootstraps and consistenly outpeform his teammate by a juicy margin, like Max has been doing throghout the season. Sending Bottas to the back with a new engine does not cut it anymore. Seriously? It is well known that with such a long run down the straight that the cars in the second row, particularly the one on the clean line in third, have a distinct advantage down the straight. Bottas could have either forced him a bit wider or at least hit the brakes after Max. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Nov 8, 2021 11:39:41 GMT -8
PLEASE!!!! BRING MARIACHIS FOR THE MEXICAN GP AT THE PODIUM CELEBRATION!!! It made me very happy to watch the Mexican fans celebrating Checo the way they did. He's a good guy and deserves his success, and Mexico is a great country with great people and an amazing history and culture. Can't wait to get back, probably for Spring Break, and now Mrs. Wood (no pics) is talking about wanting to go to MxC for the race and Dia de Muertos. So I got that goin' for me ... which is nice. And I love that podium celebration, which was moved into the stadium at Hellmund's suggestion. That place is nuts all weekend, and then just blows up after the race. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Nov 8, 2021 11:57:39 GMT -8
Bottas did as told. Get off the line slow enough to have Lulu catch up. Problem was Max was fast off the line and Riccardo clipped him. Hamilton better grabs from his bootstraps and consistenly outpeform his teammate by a juicy margin, like Max has been doing throghout the season. Sending Bottas to the back with a new engine does not cut it anymore. Seriously? It is well known that with such a long run down the straight that the cars in the second row, particularly the one on the clean line in third, have a distinct advantage down the straight. Bottas could have either forced him a bit wider or at least hit the brakes after Max. Well I'm sure every single driver out there was trying to brake as late as possible, but I'm fairly certain the Red Bull's downforce advantage negated the possibilty of Bottas simply just braking later than Max ... as did the distinct talent gap to Max. |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 8, 2021 13:14:10 GMT -8
Seriously? It is well known that with such a long run down the straight that the cars in the second row, particularly the one on the clean line in third, have a distinct advantage down the straight. Bottas could have either forced him a bit wider or at least hit the brakes after Max. Well I'm sure every single driver out there was trying to brake as late as possible, but I'm fairly certain the Red Bull's downforce advantage negated the possibilty of Bottas simply just braking later than Max ... as did the distinct talent gap to Max. Given how far Max pushed Lewis at the start of the USGP, it is a bit surprising that Bottas didn't seem to move left. I would guess that a team would go over the scenarios ahead of time (for example, will the "team" focus of defining the outside or inside), but in any case I am quite sure that Bottas was not supposed to let Lewis through and wouldn't have done so if asked. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Nov 8, 2021 13:17:51 GMT -8
Bottas did as told. Get off the line slow enough to have Lulu catch up. Problem was Max was fast off the line and Riccardo clipped him. Hamilton better grabs from his bootstraps and consistenly outpeform his teammate by a juicy margin, like Max has been doing throghout the season. Sending Bottas to the back with a new engine does not cut it anymore. Seriously? It is well known that with such a long run down the straight that the cars in the second row, particularly the one on the clean line in third, have a distinct advantage down the straight. Bottas could have either forced him a bit wider or at least hit the brakes after Max. read the link I shared above. Bottas couldn't break later. As both mercs were on the dirty side of the track. He could have taken away the line that max had. as toto and lulu lamented about. but then he couldn't have covered lulu. |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 8, 2021 13:22:37 GMT -8
Seriously? It is well known that with such a long run down the straight that the cars in the second row, particularly the one on the clean line in third, have a distinct advantage down the straight. Bottas could have either forced him a bit wider or at least hit the brakes after Max. read the link I shared above. Bottas couldn't break later. As both mercs were on the dirty side of the track. He could have taken away the line that max had. as toto and lulu lamented about. but then he couldn't have covered lulu. That was exactly my point; Bottas should have been paying closer attention to Max rather than just letting him swing on by. There are a few things he could have done. I mean, as a Merc driver you should be working to cover the other teams first. |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 8, 2021 13:23:07 GMT -8
We should also acknowledge the solid drive, again, by Gasly. A very easy, boring and well-managed P4.
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 8, 2021 13:25:01 GMT -8
Well I'm sure every single driver out there was trying to brake as late as possible, but I'm fairly certain the Red Bull's downforce advantage negated the possibilty of Bottas simply just braking later than Max ... as did the distinct talent gap to Max. Given how far Max pushed Lewis at the start of the USGP, it is a bit surprising that Bottas didn't seem to move left. I would guess that a team would go over the scenarios ahead of time (for example, will the "team" focus of defining the outside or inside), but in any case I am quite sure that Bottas was not supposed to let Lewis through and wouldn't have done so if asked. Wasn't it Mike Tyson - or some other mental giant - that said that the best plans are forgotten once the first punch is landed! In F1, plans are forgotten once the lights go out. All you can do is act and react and act - pay attention to YOUR circumstance and act accordingly. |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 8, 2021 15:11:22 GMT -8
Seriously? It is well known that with such a long run down the straight that the cars in the second row, particularly the one on the clean line in third, have a distinct advantage down the straight. Bottas could have either forced him a bit wider or at least hit the brakes after Max. read the link I shared above. Bottas couldn't break later. As both mercs were on the dirty side of the track. He could have taken away the line that max had. as toto and lulu lamented about. but then he couldn't have covered lulu. Just to point out that when Bottas hit the brakes he was dead even with Lewis and slightly ahead of Max. By the apex he was behind both of them. And Lewis was even farther from the clean side yet braked later and made the corner. Ricciardo hit Bottas because Bottas slowed so much more than needed. |
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Post by overboost on Nov 8, 2021 20:39:09 GMT -8
Bottas was letting Hamilton take the position. Likely the plan all along.
Wolff throwing Bottas under the bus was rather unsporting.
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 8, 2021 20:45:13 GMT -8
Bottas was letting Hamilton take the position. Likely the plan all along. Wolff throwing Bottas under the bus was rather unsporting. Isn't that Toto's only pitch - throwing people under the bus. |
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Post by kingfisher on Nov 8, 2021 22:44:17 GMT -8
I am surprised with MB kicking Bottas to the curb that they haven't actually replaced him with their reserve driver whomever that may be. That's because Russell is still grooming himself to be a lay-down mat for Lewis - - Bottas V2. Noticed how the fire has diminished from his recent 'performances'. Maybe Toto's forewarnings are already taking effect, hence his on-track imitations of Bottas. |
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Post by kingfisher on Nov 8, 2021 22:52:45 GMT -8
read the link I shared above. Bottas couldn't break later. As both mercs were on the dirty side of the track. He could have taken away the line that max had. as toto and lulu lamented about. but then he couldn't have covered lulu. That was exactly my point; Bottas should have been paying closer attention to Max rather than just letting him swing on by. There are a few things he could have done. I mean, as a Merc driver you should be working to cover the other teams first. |
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