|
|
Post by chernaudi on Aug 2, 2021 3:23:20 GMT -8
As far as fuel samples, why doesn't the FIA mandate a spec fuel, like, you know, NASCAR, Indy Car, IMSA and they and the ACO do for the WEC? I believe that the Aramco signage you see around the tracks at every F1 race is a petroleum company (edit, it's a Saudi oil company), so why not.
Oh, wait, this goes back to the FIA/FOM and the teams not agreeing on who should freight and pay for the refueling rigs for the cars that lead to in-race refueling getting written out of the rule book. If the FIA/FOM are such cheap bastards that they can't front the cost for a spec refueling rig, I bet that those assholes don't want to pay for freighting the gas used if they went the spec fuel route (yet someone pays for the shipping for the junk Pirelli tires, probably Pirelli).
|
|
|
|
Post by pushtopass on Aug 2, 2021 4:52:48 GMT -8
Why wouldn't teams be getting reports from around the track while sitting under the red flag? They all left the pits for the formation lap with inters when the track was clearly dry. I am surprised that no one had any reports from the track itself. Anyone with reports would have found themselves in first place and not just for that one lap.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pistola on Aug 2, 2021 7:30:20 GMT -8
|
|
jmjgt
Member
Posts: 3,311
|
Post by jmjgt on Aug 2, 2021 7:51:01 GMT -8
As far as fuel samples, why doesn't the FIA mandate a spec fuel, like, you know, NASCAR, Indy Car, IMSA and they and the ACO do for the WEC? I believe that the Aramco signage you see around the tracks at every F1 race is a petroleum company (edit, it's a Saudi oil company), so why not. Oh, wait, this goes back to the FIA/FOM and the teams not agreeing on who should freight and pay for the refueling rigs for the cars that lead to in-race refueling getting written out of the rule book. If the FIA/FOM are such cheap bastards that they can't front the cost for a spec refueling rig, I bet that those assholes don't want to pay for freighting the gas used if they went the spec fuel route (yet someone pays for the shipping for the junk Pirelli tires, probably Pirelli). The simple answer is money, petroleum companies bring a lot of sponsorship bucks and give each manufacturer a competitive edge. There as never a disagreement over the fuel rigs, the teams knew as long as they were legal someone would use one forcing the rest to do the same, they were ecstatic over they initial ban. When the FIA brought them back to "spice up the show" the teams only retort was to refuse to haul the things from race to race and publicly denouncing their inclusion as a unsafe, money draining gimmick. |
|
|
|
Post by wilmywood8455 on Aug 2, 2021 8:12:18 GMT -8
^^6The team is responsible for the equipment to get the appropriate sample from the tank using the FIA fuel nipple. Their calculations may show there is enough but the bottom line is getting the sample. I don't think any disassembly is allowed. Losing second is a pisser so good luck to them. The question I have is why do they need a liter - that is a f'n lot of fuel to run a test on, in fact that much fuel in a testing location is a extreme fire hazard. Three separate entities get some of the 'sample' ...
|
|
|
|
Post by pushtopass on Aug 2, 2021 9:00:35 GMT -8
Funny how Lewis was complaining about Alonso running him close in a fast corner. He said something like "we're going too fast for him to be driving like that." Lewis should go back and see how he drove Max in an even faster corner at Silverstone. According to Lewis there are two sets of rules in F1. Rules for everyone and a special set of rules for him. MB would take a 5 place grid penalty every week if they could get the same outcome as today. Bottas' blunder was very fortunate and profitable for his team. He easily was the Driver of the Race for the Merc team. It would be nice is they could get repaid for what they did today. A five place grid penalty isn't even a slap on the wrist for the destruction he caused and the benefit his team received. Its almost as bad as the 10 second penalty that Lewis got at Silverstone. Masi stated, once again, that the penalty does not take into account the outcome. The penalty is the same if everyone continues on or not. It also does not take into account that perhaps Bottas can make up the places next race because Merc is almost as fast as RB. Otherwise Haas would never get any penalties for anything. |
|
|
|
Post by pushtopass on Aug 2, 2021 13:45:42 GMT -8
I wonder where Lewis would have come out if he had pitted when everyone else did. They are in the first stall and everyone was lined up with no space between them so he would have had to wait until everyone was past to get released. Many would have been able to stop, change, and get out. Better than last, I guess, but it would have had its own frustration. I loved George's move out of his box, asking "can I just go?" and then going straight away as the light turned green and out in first! :-) Such a weird situation that no one knew what to even tell him given that there was no room for him to join the line of cars but a nice lane open to the right!!
|
|
r60man
Full Member
Posts: 1,273
|
Post by r60man on Aug 2, 2021 14:35:25 GMT -8
I was happy about the Vettel penalty for a minute because it put Alonso in third and he deserved that after his epic defense. But then I remembered it elevated LuLu to second, and I was sad.
|
|
|
|
Post by wilmywood8455 on Aug 2, 2021 15:24:48 GMT -8
Commenting on the restart with Lewis the only one on the grid ...
|
|
|
|
Post by mmi16 on Aug 2, 2021 15:27:46 GMT -8
I was happy about the Vettel penalty for a minute because it put Alonso in third and he deserved that after his epic defense. But then I remembered it elevated LuLu to second, and I was sad. Personally, I don't feel such a disqualification should elevate any of the lower finishing positions. They did not EARN the positions. Disqualifications should penalize the transgressor not reward anyone else. |
|
|
|
Post by Pistola on Aug 2, 2021 15:54:16 GMT -8
I was happy about the Vettel penalty for a minute because it put Alonso in third and he deserved that after his epic defense. But then I remembered it elevated LuLu to second, and I was sad. Sainz is in 3rd. At least he is also Spanish. |
|
|
|
Post by kidrybot on Aug 2, 2021 18:14:41 GMT -8
I wonder where Lewis would have come out if he had pitted when everyone else did. They are in the first stall and everyone was lined up with no space between them so he would have had to wait until everyone was past to get released. Many would have been able to stop, change, and get out. Better than last, I guess, but it would have had its own frustration. I loved George's move out of his box, asking "can I just go?" and then going straight away as the light turned green and out in first! :-) Such a weird situation that no one knew what to even tell him given that there was no room for him to join the line of cars but a nice lane open to the right!! color me stupid but what is the protocol when literally EVERYONE pits prior to a restart like this? If hammy had boxxed what was supposed to happen? |
|
|
|
Post by Pistola on Aug 2, 2021 18:29:51 GMT -8
I believe I read the procedure is after the last car crosses pit entry the starting procedure is initiated just like with a normal full grid. Only when the lights go out is the pit exit opened.
I think it's also why there was the collision in the pits from an unsafe release because nobody wanted to get blocked by a train of exiting cars from either entering or leaving their pit box.
|
|
|
|
Post by mmi16 on Aug 2, 2021 19:49:56 GMT -8
I am not giving anyone a pass.
I must say that the run from the lights to T1 created a whole lot more spray from the Intermediate tires than I was expecting from what we were seeing from the camera shots we were seeing prior to the start of the formation lap.
|
|
|
|
Post by wilmywood8455 on Aug 3, 2021 2:21:41 GMT -8
I believe I read the procedure is after the last car crosses pit entry the starting procedure is initiated just like with a normal full grid. Only when the lights go out is the pit exit opened. I think it's also why there was the collision in the pits from an unsafe release because nobody wanted to get blocked by a train of exiting cars from either entering or leaving their pit box. EZ solution - no pitting under red (including no repairs under red). |
|
|
|
Post by pushtopass on Aug 3, 2021 4:02:03 GMT -8
I believe I read the procedure is after the last car crosses pit entry the starting procedure is initiated just like with a normal full grid. Only when the lights go out is the pit exit opened. I think it's also why there was the collision in the pits from an unsafe release because nobody wanted to get blocked by a train of exiting cars from either entering or leaving their pit box. EZ solution - no pitting under red (including no repairs under red). Was it technically still a red? I thought it switched to effectively yellow for the formation lap after a red flag stoppage. So those cars stopped under a yellow, not a red flag. I may be wrong, of course. But I agree in the first place; no repairs under red. |
|
|
|
Post by mikey on Aug 3, 2021 5:32:19 GMT -8
Why wouldn't teams be getting reports from around the track while sitting under the red flag? They all left the pits for the formation lap with inters when the track was clearly dry. I am surprised that no one had any reports from the track itself. Anyone with reports would have found themselves in first place and not just for that one lap. The drivers can talk to the pits on the formation lap but the pits can't talk back to the drivers, so they do get some info. Lulu's problem was that as 'first' the guy in 2nd just had to slow down a little bit until Lulu was past the solid line and then duck into the pits and Lulu was stuck as there is a point you can't cross the pit entry line without getting a penalty. |
|
|
|
Post by mikey on Aug 3, 2021 5:38:18 GMT -8
I believe I read the procedure is after the last car crosses pit entry the starting procedure is initiated just like with a normal full grid. Only when the lights go out is the pit exit opened. I think it's also why there was the collision in the pits from an unsafe release because nobody wanted to get blocked by a train of exiting cars from either entering or leaving their pit box. EZ solution - no pitting under red (including no repairs under red). Where would the cars go if they couldn't pit under the red flag? I do agree that any repairs need to be done once the green flag waves again though, let the cars wanting to do repairs pull into their pit boxes while the cars not wanting repairs can stay in the normal pit lane. YES double stacking will be a problem for some teams but if you limit the team to one car at a time under those conditions then the problem is solved, or find a place they can stop and wait until their pit box is available, you wouldn't want some car running around the track at 1/10th the speed of the cars racing because it was waiting for a spot to pit. |
|
|
|
Post by wilmywood8455 on Aug 3, 2021 5:55:37 GMT -8
EZ solution - no pitting under red (including no repairs under red). Where would the cars go if they couldn't pit under the red flag? You let them line up in the pitlane so the crews can put fans on them. Then you release them under yellow but not allow pitstops until after the green.
You know, like every other series does.
|
|
|
|
Post by mmi16 on Aug 3, 2021 6:15:00 GMT -8
Where would the cars go if they couldn't pit under the red flag? You let them line up in the pitlane so the crews can put fans on them. Then you release them under yellow but not allow pitstops until after the green.
You know, like every other series does.
Red Flag Screw the cooling fans - cars stop and cool with the car's own cooling systems. Cars start on their own energy stores. Any repairs or tire changes only happen after the race has completed the Restart procedure and the track is in Green Flag conditions. |
|
Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA