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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 9:43:53 GMT -8
Alonso joins leclerc in calling it a racing incident. FYI What Leclerc said wasn't really that committal. “It is very difficult to judge it from the car, we are very low, so it’s difficult to see everything and it went very quickly. I could see there was quite a bit going on in front of me. I think it’s a racing incident. It is quite difficult to put the blame on one or the other. “Obviously, there was the space on the inside. Maybe Lewis was not completely at the apex, but it’s also true that Max was quite aggressive on the outside. Things happen but I think what is most important today is that Max is unharmed and is fine.” that was pretty much my view as well. Lewis wasn't all the way tucked in but Max made choices, too. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 9:44:26 GMT -8
Btw are just not gonna talk about Vettel's continued yearly spins? I was so disappointed! He was doing so much better the last few races. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 19, 2021 9:57:51 GMT -8
Alonso joins leclerc in calling it a racing incident. FYI What Leclerc said wasn't really that committal. “It is very difficult to judge it from the car, we are very low, so it’s difficult to see everything and it went very quickly. I could see there was quite a bit going on in front of me. I think it’s a racing incident. It is quite difficult to put the blame on one or the other. “Obviously, there was the space on the inside. Maybe Lewis was not completely at the apex, but it’s also true that Max was quite aggressive on the outside. Things happen but I think what is most important today is that Max is unharmed and is fine.” Even if Lewis had been tight to the apex he and Max would only have postponed the inevitable. 2 cars weren't going to occupy that spot either.  |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 19, 2021 10:16:48 GMT -8
You, just like Lewis, have social issues. says the guy who says he won't respond but continually responds..... As I wrote earlier jmjgt laid it out for you two pages ago. You just continue to stir the pot for no reason. Why? Because you, just like Lewis, have social issues. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 10:41:37 GMT -8
says the guy who says he won't respond but continually responds..... As I wrote earlier jmjgt laid it out for you two pages ago. You just continue to stir the pot for no reason. Why? Because you, just like Lewis, have social issues. ......... |
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Post by Boomer on Jul 19, 2021 12:12:54 GMT -8
Enough, already?  |
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Post by thirddegree on Jul 19, 2021 12:18:41 GMT -8
Hmmm...Hamilton was given a ten second penalty. Per the rules. So which driver is it to whom the rules do not apply? I'd say the one who could've killed a driver with a reckless move and only got a slap on the wrist. So, the rules don't apply to him. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 19, 2021 12:20:36 GMT -8
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Post by thirddegree on Jul 19, 2021 12:21:04 GMT -8
A real penalty is black-flagging Hamilton and leaving both drivers status-quo. Handing Hamilton 10 seconds is nothing but an insult. He could've killed Max and at the very least, he could've ruined his season. We still don't know that he didn't.
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Post by thirddegree on Jul 19, 2021 12:22:00 GMT -8
If the shoe were on the other foot, the FIA would restart the race once Lewis was cleared, hand him pole position and suspend Max for two races.
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Post by racerman967 on Jul 19, 2021 12:42:15 GMT -8
I have said this already but will repeat. Accidents happen, and yes Lewis caused the collision. The penalty for causing a collision that end your competitors race should be the end of your race. Penalties should be able to be served at " your convenience" a 10 second penalty should be served within 2 laps of being received, not 20 laps later when you have gapped 70% of the field. And can we please stop allowing cars to be repaired during a RED FLAG. The purpose of this flag is that everything stops. Why is this the case in every racing series except F1???
If Lewis had a broken wheel that need to be replaced he can stay in the pits and replace it once the green lights go out and restart from the pit lane. Outside of putting cooling fans on the cars there should be no other touching of the vehicles during red flag status.
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 19, 2021 13:22:00 GMT -8
I have said this already but will repeat. Accidents happen, and yes Lewis caused the collision. The penalty for causing a collision that end your competitors race should be the end of your race. Penalties should be able to be served at " your convenience" a 10 second penalty should be served within 2 laps of being received, not 20 laps later when you have gapped 70% of the field. And can we please stop allowing cars to be repaired during a RED FLAG. The purpose of this flag is that everything stops. Why is this the case in every racing series except F1??? If Lewis had a broken wheel that need to be replaced he can stay in the pits and replace it once the green lights go out and restart from the pit lane. Outside of putting cooling fans on the cars there should be no other touching of the vehicles during red flag status. I am not so sure they should even allow cooling fans - bring the cars in and stop them - PERIOD. Cars must restart on their own onboard energy stores. If a car requires repairs to continue - the repairs can be started when the cars are released from the pits for the 'restart formation lap'. When repairs are completed (if the lights have not gone out on the restart) the repaired car can grid in the position it was AFTER the cars were flagged off the pit lane for the restart formation lap - nominally last among all runners. |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Jul 19, 2021 13:27:12 GMT -8
Typical passive aggressive BS. Lewis is alway the victim. It's getting worse because now sociopaths on social media are now bringing Hamilton's race into the fracas. Thanks to them he now gets to play the pariah over this whole thing. Yeah, I got on social media today and there is righteous outrage from F1, the FIA and Mercedes-AMG about the racist abuse hurled at Hamilton. So every other aspect of what occurred yesterday has been occluded and no clarity is forthcoming from either side. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 13:41:32 GMT -8
Hmmm...Hamilton was given a ten second penalty. Per the rules. So which driver is it to whom the rules do not apply? I'd say the one who could've killed a driver with a reckless move and only got a slap on the wrist. So, the rules don't apply to him. Can you point to the rule that does not apply? Thank you. |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Jul 19, 2021 13:45:08 GMT -8
Was it a racing incident? Was it a dumb move by one driver or another?
How we view the incident and its aftermath is based on our perceptions of each team, each individual driver, and the sport in general.
For example:
Most of you know that I'm a Tifosi first and racing fan second. I believe Ferrari is life. My screen saver, desktop wallpaper, passwords, login and other have some form of a Ferrari or Ferrari products in it.
Having said that, it's important to remember that drivers are people with individual personalities, and liking them or disliking them can very.
I never liked Hamilton as a person, not because he was black, but because from before he even arrived, he was extremely arrogant and acted entitled to everything. It's the same reason that even to this day, I have never liked Ayrton Senna. Was he a good or great driver? To me, that's besides the point. He was always an arrogant driver who felt and acted entitled.
Initially, I never liked Verstappen either, and I thought he was arrogant also. However, when I look back on his mistakes and errors (including forcing others, and Ferrari drivers off the track), I think mostly that he was young, and there is some arrogance to youth, but with time it should subside and help a person learn. I was a very arrogant Engineer when I was young. I knew everything, and because of OCD, I was a perfectionist. I was placed in a position of authority and as such I had the opportunity to butt heads with many other engineers and cause many shouting matches. A perfectionist as a Quality Engineer? Trouble.
The issue to me is that Hamilton has never grown up as a person, and all his successes (be it, car OR driver) have made him an even worse, arrogant SOB. I dislike him immensely.
On the other hand, I initially disliked Verstappen (though, I liked his father when he raced -- mostly unsuccessfully). But I think, Max is maturing as a person. This is the same way I felt about Alonso initially. Arrogant, but as time went by, he grew as a person and as a driver, even before he joined the Scuderia. Same thing with Vettel.
Now, we can throw all this out and evaluate these folks just on plain driving ability... Well, that's very difficult to do. Their personality comes through in what they do even as racing drivers.
Do I find it unacceptable to attack someone's race? OF COURSE. But let's not equate attacking their driving that with racism. This race is a done deal now, and let's leave it at that.
/rant off
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 13:50:07 GMT -8
I have said this already but will repeat. Accidents happen, and yes Lewis caused the collision. The penalty for causing a collision that end your competitors race should be the end of your race. Penalties should be able to be served at " your convenience" a 10 second penalty should be served within 2 laps of being received, not 20 laps later when you have gapped 70% of the field. And can we please stop allowing cars to be repaired during a RED FLAG. The purpose of this flag is that everything stops. Why is this the case in every racing series except F1??? If Lewis had a broken wheel that need to be replaced he can stay in the pits and replace it once the green lights go out and restart from the pit lane. Outside of putting cooling fans on the cars there should be no other touching of the vehicles during red flag status. I remember that Monaco race in 2011 when the tire change under Red Flag had a big impact on the race. Astounding. |
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Post by struns on Jul 19, 2021 14:07:03 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 19, 2021 14:39:52 GMT -8
It's getting worse because now sociopaths on social media are now bringing Hamilton's race into the fracas. Thanks to them he now gets to play the pariah over this whole thing. Yeah, I got on social media today and there is righteous outrage from F1, the FIA and Mercedes-AMG about the racist abuse hurled at Hamilton. So every other aspect of what occurred yesterday has been occluded and no clarity is forthcoming from either side. Occluded, word of the day right there.  |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 19, 2021 15:04:07 GMT -8
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Post by Boomer on Jul 19, 2021 15:17:18 GMT -8
Ricci is an OK guy!  |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA