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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Apr 17, 2021 5:21:07 GMT -8
Top three cars all within 1/10 of a second of each other. The race tomorrow is going to be epic.
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Post by olderguysrule on Apr 17, 2021 5:39:53 GMT -8
Perez gets the jump on Sir Lulu as Perez starts on softs and Sir Lulu starts on mediums. Max starting 3rd gets a good start and takes out Perez and Sir Lulu. Ya heard it here first.  |
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Post by wayfast on Apr 17, 2021 6:45:38 GMT -8
Even though Louie took the pole it was extremely close between him and three others so that gives me hope for a good race tomorrow. I agree with deleting Norris' time but it didn't gain him that much so I'm including him in the "three others." Bottas is proving he's not even a good second driver. I'm not opposed to Louie winning I'm just tired of him and the Mercs winning every week without any competition. I will just be happy with a very competitive race at this point.
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 17, 2021 8:01:08 GMT -8
Even though Louie took the pole it was extremely close between him and three others so that gives me hope for a good race tomorrow. I agree with deleting Norris' time but it didn't gain him that much so I'm including him in the "three others." Bottas is proving he's not even a good second driver. I'm not opposed to Louie winning I'm just tired of him and the Mercs winning every week without any competition. I will just be happy with a very competitive race at this point. For my 2 cents - ALL times from ALL Drivers should have been deleted for exceeding track limits. The limit affects the outside tires, not 4 tires. EVERYBODY is crossing the f'n line with 2 tires - that is 2 tires OUTSIDE track limits. If the track doesn't enforce its own limits, then it has no limits. |
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Post by safetycar on Apr 17, 2021 8:16:49 GMT -8
I have to admit I feel a little bad for Lando getting his time deleted. But rules are rules and there you go. Lesson learned (maybe). Anyway, things in qualy were pretty close so it should be a good race tomorrow. I am of course hoping Alonso makes up some places. Other than that I have no strong feelings.
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Post by Pistola on Apr 17, 2021 9:21:24 GMT -8
Even though Louie took the pole it was extremely close between him and three others so that gives me hope for a good race tomorrow. I agree with deleting Norris' time but it didn't gain him that much so I'm including him in the "three others." Bottas is proving he's not even a good second driver. I'm not opposed to Louie winning I'm just tired of him and the Mercs winning every week without any competition. I will just be happy with a very competitive race at this point. For my 2 cents - ALL times from ALL Drivers should have been deleted for exceeding track limits. The limit affects the outside tires, not 4 tires. EVERYBODY is crossing the f'n line with 2 tires - that is 2 tires OUTSIDE track limits. If the track doesn't enforce its own limits, then it has no limits. Actually the rule never mentions tires. It's the car being outside the line that is the violation. |
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Post by Pistola on Apr 17, 2021 10:05:04 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 17, 2021 10:34:33 GMT -8
For my 2 cents - ALL times from ALL Drivers should have been deleted for exceeding track limits. The limit affects the outside tires, not 4 tires. EVERYBODY is crossing the f'n line with 2 tires - that is 2 tires OUTSIDE track limits. If the track doesn't enforce its own limits, then it has no limits. Actually the rule never mentions tires. It's the car being outside the line that is the violation. Always featured the tires were a part of the car. Presume the limit is a actual wall - not possible to get the car, or for that matter any tires to exceed the limit. If you are going to have a painted line as the limit of the track - THEN ANY PART OF THE CAR THAT GETS ON OR GOES OVER the line has exceeded the track limit. As the FIA is making the calls - ALL THIS IS ARBITRARY BULLSHIT. |
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Post by Pistola on Apr 17, 2021 11:37:54 GMT -8
Actually the rule never mentions tires. It's the car being outside the line that is the violation. Always featured the tires were a part of the car. Presume the limit is a actual wall - not possible to get the car, or for that matter any tires to exceed the limit. If you are going to have a painted line as the limit of the track - THEN ANY PART OF THE CAR THAT GETS ON OR GOES OVER the line has exceeded the track limit. As the FIA is making the calls - ALL THIS IS ARBITRARY BULLSHIT. There's nothing arbitrary about the rule. The car is either on the track or it isn't. It can't be off the track until it is actually off the track. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 12:27:36 GMT -8
Yes, it is arbitrary bullshit.
If the outside tires are over the line, the car is off the track, the track limits have been exceeded and a penalty should be issued.
But it seems that The Powers That Be can't get this simple concept through their heads.
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Post by Pistola on Apr 17, 2021 13:26:34 GMT -8
Outside or inside? Does it matter which part is over the line?   What I seem to be hearing is that it will be OK to use the curb beyond the track limit at the apex but not at the the exit.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 13:37:22 GMT -8
Oh, for god's sake, never the fuck mind.
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 17, 2021 13:49:20 GMT -8
Outside or inside? Does it matter which part is over the line? What I seem to be hearing is that it will be OK to use the curb beyond the track limit at the apex but not at the the exit. The fact that there are curbs makes them OUTSIDE the limits of the track. Wheels going over the curbs should be considered OFF TRACK. |
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Post by Pistola on Apr 17, 2021 14:06:47 GMT -8
That isn't what you have been saying.
So what is it? Or is it arbitrary?
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Apr 17, 2021 14:10:13 GMT -8
There is no circuit or series on the planet where using the kerbs is going 'off track'
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Post by Red_Hercules on Apr 17, 2021 14:19:56 GMT -8
Here's how you fix it: - Put sensors under the white lines marking the boundary of the track surface.
- Put sensors inside each wheel.
- Write an algorithm that every time a wheel is beyond the white line, the car is considered beyond track limits.
- Enforce penalty for car exceeding track limits.
NOW, The following questions arise: 1) Do you consider the car beyond track limits when all 4 wheels are off, or is one wheel registering beyond the white line considered a violation? 2) What penalty do you enforce at that point? Do you take a single lap time away? What about if the car exceeds track limits for 27 times like Hamilton did in the last race? SUGGESTION: How about you take 1/10th of a second off a car's time every time a track limits violation is registered? This will have serious consequences when qualifying times are so close, and over the course of a race (in the example of Hamilton), the time penalty grows (for Hamilton it accumulates to 2.7 seconds for 27 violations -- which means he finishes behind Verstappen in 2nd place) Computers are impartial. Each violation is firmly registered in the software. What will happen if you enforce track limits like this? I suspect, cars will get slower and lap times will go up. I also suspect that the racing spectacle becomes better. In a way, oval racing in the US has solved the track limits problems by having walls on one side and a sudden transition from oval to flat on the other side which unsettles a car and can cause it to spin. BTW, the algorithm to enforce this is easy to write and the sensors exist today. |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Apr 17, 2021 14:21:57 GMT -8
There is no circuit or series on the planet where using the kerbs is going 'off track'
Depends where the kerbs are placed. |
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Post by Pistola on Apr 17, 2021 15:11:21 GMT -8
Moto GP has a fairly impartial set up. BTW the long lap mention here is an area in the runoff of one of the corners where the rider must go to serve the penalty. He doesn't stop but the lap becomes longer due to extra distance and reduced grip. The sensors used at the track limit line can measure how much the violation was in millimeters.
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Post by overboost on Apr 17, 2021 16:09:02 GMT -8
I think Hamilton should get a penalty.
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Post by wayfast on Apr 17, 2021 17:01:29 GMT -8
Does it really matter if its two tires or four as long as qualifying and the race are officiated the same for the entire field?
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA