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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 21, 2021 16:42:05 GMT -8
It's a TV show, not "fly on the wall" documentary. The Drive to Survive cut of the the Leclerc crash is much better from a drama point of view. That is what the series is about, drama. Of course it's only semi truthful. Even if they appear contemporary to the action all the studio shots with Buxton are done after the season and probably reshot until they are unctuously correct. Buxton is now important enough that his facemasks sport his own WB embroidered logo. It is truthful but in an emotional way. Extending the time for Leclerc to respond after the accident is how it felt in real time at the time to the people involved. That is good film making. Buxton on the other hand is.... whatever. |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 21, 2021 17:06:03 GMT -8
Wow. What episode was that in? He left Emma with a newborn baby at the time. She actually told me a lot about what a shit he was to her. He's a POS. The We need to talk about Ferrari episode where he wants Seb to admit that Ferrari was cheating and he is all on his horse about integrity or something. My understanding is that the FIA couldn't prove Ferrari was cheating, which is why they had their secret settlement where Ferrari lost horsepower. I also sort of forgot about DAS and the Tracing point scandal which it is actually crazy that the F1 let both Merc and TP get away with cheating. Throw in how Merc was allowed to slide after winning 3 championships burning oil (how "green" of them) and why the hell not, Liberty is wearing out that rubber rule book they borrowed from NASCAR. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 21, 2021 18:06:11 GMT -8
It's a TV show, not "fly on the wall" documentary. The Drive to Survive cut of the the Leclerc crash is much better from a drama point of view. That is what the series is about, drama. Of course it's only semi truthful. Even if they appear contemporary to the action all the studio shots with Buxton are done after the season and probably reshot until they are unctuously correct. Buxton is now important enough that his facemasks sport his own WB embroidered logo. Yeah he's actually selling clothes from a website now with that "WB" logo on them. LOL. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 21, 2021 18:13:42 GMT -8
Wow. What episode was that in? He left Emma with a newborn baby at the time. She actually told me a lot about what a shit he was to her. He's a POS. The We need to talk about Ferrari episode where he wants Seb to admit that Ferrari was cheating and he is all on his horse about integrity or something. My understanding is that the FIA couldn't prove Ferrari was cheating, which is why they had their secret settlement where Ferrari lost horsepower. I also sort of forgot about DAS and the Tracing point scandal which it is actually crazy that the F1 let both Merc and TP get away with cheating. I went back and watched again but I couldn't find it. I saw the part where Buxton is interviewing Seb in the paddock and Seb says something like, you can cheat "but you're cheating yourself". I couldn't find anything that seemed directed at WB, but I still might have missed it. And yeah, it's amazing how Merc and RP's shenanigans are getting swept under the rug. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 23, 2021 1:08:54 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2021 6:01:11 GMT -8
Maybe someday folks will realize TV shows are not reality.
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Post by Pistola on Mar 23, 2021 8:16:25 GMT -8
Maybe someday folks will realize TV shows are not reality. You mean that wasn't XNDA singing in the other room? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2021 9:20:36 GMT -8
Maybe someday folks will realize TV shows are not reality. You mean that wasn't XNDA singing in the other room? Are talking in reality or a TV show? Depending on your world outlook it could be both. ;) |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 23, 2021 9:47:37 GMT -8
Maybe someday folks will realize TV shows are not reality. A lot of people realize DTS isn't reality, despite being presented in documentary form as a story about real people ... which is why we're pointing out where it frequently deviates from reality and contrives its own story lines. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2021 10:58:08 GMT -8
Maybe someday folks will realize TV shows are not reality. A lot of people realize DTS isn't reality, despite being presented in documentary form as a story about real people ... which is why we're pointing out where it frequently deviates from reality and contrives its own story lines. It's a TV show. Even the most unobtrusive documentaries make editorial choices that effects the perception of the subject. Drive to Survive might the most obtrusive "documentary" ever made. It is completely manipulated. You can see it in the first minutes. They aren't trying to fool anyone. The only misrepresentation is it should be labeled a Docu-drama. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 23, 2021 11:18:09 GMT -8
A lot of people realize DTS isn't reality, despite being presented in documentary form as a story about real people ... which is why we're pointing out where it frequently deviates from reality and contrives its own story lines. It's a TV show. Even the most unobtrusive documentaries make editorial choices that effects the perception of the subject. Drive to Survive might the most obtrusive "documentary" ever made. It is completely manipulated. You can see it in the first minutes. They aren't trying to fool anyone. The only misrepresentation is it should be labeled a Docu-drama. It's not fooling anyone who really knows F1, but it's fooling a lot of people who don't or haven't followed it for long. I've seen numerous people challenge the talk about Netflix's misrepresentations of F1 and people in it. The mis-labelling of the show is exactly the reason people should be pointing out the discrepancies between the show and reality - because some people really believe the show is reality. It's entertainment, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out the fiction. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2021 11:28:06 GMT -8
It's a TV show. Even the most unobtrusive documentaries make editorial choices that effects the perception of the subject. Drive to Survive might the most obtrusive "documentary" ever made. It is completely manipulated. You can see it in the first minutes. They aren't trying to fool anyone. The only misrepresentation is it should be labeled a Docu-drama. It's not fooling anyone who really knows F1, but it's fooling a lot of people who don't or haven't followed it for long. I've seen numerous people challenge the talk about Netflix's misrepresentations of F1 and people in it. The mis-labelling of the show is exactly the reason people should be pointing out the discrepancies between the show and reality - because some people really believe the show is reality. It's entertainment, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out the fiction. It's a TV show about F1. Why care? The same people were involved with the Senna documentary and that "documentary" makes Drive to Survive look unbiased and accurate, they know damn well they are manipulating the "facts", in the end no one cares because it is a TV show about F1. |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 23, 2021 11:45:15 GMT -8
You mean that wasn't XNDA singing in the other room? Are talking in reality or a TV show? Depending on your world outlook it could be both. ;) We're all just sharing XNDA's reality.  |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 23, 2021 11:51:51 GMT -8
It's not fooling anyone who really knows F1, but it's fooling a lot of people who don't or haven't followed it for long. I've seen numerous people challenge the talk about Netflix's misrepresentations of F1 and people in it. The mis-labelling of the show is exactly the reason people should be pointing out the discrepancies between the show and reality - because some people really believe the show is reality. It's entertainment, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out the fiction. It's a TV show about F1. Why care? The same people were involved with the Senna documentary and that "documentary" makes Drive to Survive look unbiased and accurate, they know damn well they are manipulating the "facts", in the end no one cares because it is a TV show about F1. Because it's fiction being passed off as the truth. If they'd just come out and call it what it really is, then there would be no problem. People in the sport and many fans of the teams and the people have problems with the way they're being untruthfully portrayed. It's not at all hard to understand. That's why some F1 folks in the paddock have opted out. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2021 12:07:08 GMT -8
Are talking in reality or a TV show? Depending on your world outlook it could be both. ;) We're all just sharing XNDA's reality.  Loving it. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2021 12:13:43 GMT -8
It's a TV show about F1. Why care? The same people were involved with the Senna documentary and that "documentary" makes Drive to Survive look unbiased and accurate, they know damn well they are manipulating the "facts", in the end no one cares because it is a TV show about F1. Because it's fiction being passed off as the truth. If they'd just come out and call it what it really is, then there would be no problem. People in the sport and many fans of the teams and the people have problems with the way they're being untruthfully portrayed. It's not at all hard to understand. That's why some F1 folks in the paddock have opted out. It's a TV show about F1. Among the myriad of things folks are being manipulated by through media Drive to Survive ranks way down at the bottom of the list, right next to the truthfulness of cat videos on YouTube. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 23, 2021 12:20:44 GMT -8
Because it's fiction being passed off as the truth. If they'd just come out and call it what it really is, then there would be no problem. People in the sport and many fans of the teams and the people have problems with the way they're being untruthfully portrayed. It's not at all hard to understand. That's why some F1 folks in the paddock have opted out. It's a TV show about F1. Among the myriad of things folks are being manipulated by through media Drive to Survive ranks way down at the bottom of the list, right next to the truthfulness of cat videos on YouTube. You admit it's manipulated. I don't understand why you take issue with anyone pointing out the manipulation. Re: the other manipulation that goes on in the news media, other documentaries, reality TV, etc ... yep. That's all true. I don't see how any of that invalidates pointing out the manipulation on DTS. We could talk about all of those other manipulations as well, I guess, and surely DTS ranks well down the list in terms of importance, but the last time I checked this was a racing board and this was a DTS thread. Seems kinda relevant here to me. The others? Not so much. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2021 12:44:41 GMT -8
It's a TV show about F1. Among the myriad of things folks are being manipulated by through media Drive to Survive ranks way down at the bottom of the list, right next to the truthfulness of cat videos on YouTube. You admit it's manipulated. I don't understand why you take issue with anyone pointing out the manipulation. Re: the other manipulation that goes on in the news media, other documentaries, reality TV, etc ... yep. That's all true. I don't see how any of that invalidates pointing out the manipulation on DTS. We could talk about all of those other manipulations as well, I guess, and surely DTS ranks well down the list in terms of importance, but the last time I checked this was a racing board and this was a DTS thread. Seems kinda relevant here to me. The others? Not so much. Because pointing it out is folly, everything in media is manipulated. It is a TV show about the 2020 F1 season. All the championships are done and dusted, give it the attention it deserves, watch it, be entertained by it and then forget about it an hour later. If you want occupy your time with something that might actually matter read the essay written by Pierre Gasly that jmjgt posted in the silly season 2022 thread. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 23, 2021 15:07:30 GMT -8
You admit it's manipulated. I don't understand why you take issue with anyone pointing out the manipulation. Re: the other manipulation that goes on in the news media, other documentaries, reality TV, etc ... yep. That's all true. I don't see how any of that invalidates pointing out the manipulation on DTS. We could talk about all of those other manipulations as well, I guess, and surely DTS ranks well down the list in terms of importance, but the last time I checked this was a racing board and this was a DTS thread. Seems kinda relevant here to me. The others? Not so much. Because pointing it out is folly, everything in media is manipulated. It is a TV show about the 2020 F1 season. All the championships are done and dusted, give it the attention it deserves, watch it, be entertained by it and then forget about it an hour later. If you want occupy your time with something that might actually matter read the essay written by Pierre Gasly that jmjgt posted in the silly season 2022 thread. Doesn't matter to you. That's cool. I'm not telling you it should matter to you. You having a problem with it mattering to others & them pointing it out is a little odd. Oh well. I bet it matters to the people whose words get twisted/misquoted or are portrayed inaccurately. There's some good entertainment in it, but we can all have different reactions to the inaccurate bs in a supposed documentary about F1. But anyway... |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2021 15:42:19 GMT -8
Because pointing it out is folly, everything in media is manipulated. It is a TV show about the 2020 F1 season. All the championships are done and dusted, give it the attention it deserves, watch it, be entertained by it and then forget about it an hour later. If you want occupy your time with something that might actually matter read the essay written by Pierre Gasly that jmjgt posted in the silly season 2022 thread. Doesn't matter to you. That's cool. I'm not telling you it should matter to you. You having a problem with it mattering to others & them pointing it out is a little odd. Oh well. I bet it matters to the people whose words get twisted/misquoted or are portrayed inaccurately. There's some good entertainment in it, but we can all have different reactions to the inaccurate bs in a supposed documentary about F1. But anyway... It shouldn't matter to anyone, and anyone that is does matter to isn't worth consideration. It's a TV show. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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