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Post by Pistola on Nov 15, 2020 20:59:51 GMT -8
It was mostly a unique situation of non racing in the rain.  |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Nov 15, 2020 22:07:49 GMT -8
Bottas also lived up to not being a championship contender. I'm not sure what Lewis and MB did so right today and what everyone else did wrong. Even if Strolle stayed out Lewis still would've drove past him. I don't think there was anything they could do to beat Lewis today. He wasn't fast until around the halfway point unless he was holding back all weekend. Mercedes built the fastest car. Lewis got the lap times out of car that it had built into it. Yep. Lewis just didn't overdrive it, unlike pretty much everyone else out there. He didn't have to. Lewis is cruising in that car 90% of the time during races. As soon as DRS was enabled, I knew Lewis had it. |
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Post by kingfisher on Nov 15, 2020 22:44:21 GMT -8
Congratulations to Lewis on winning his 7th title by winning the race in Turkey. That was a champion's victory. He's transcended all others now and has matured as a driver to master all of the nuances of race craft. Overcoming adversity initially in the sport as a black and of modest means should resonate with youngsters dreaming of some day entering motorsports. Strong commitment has paid off for him and he'll continue to reap those rewards as long as his team is as strong as Mercedes has become. He's the benchmark in the sport without showing any signs of diminishing. The shot of his face when emerging from the cockpit will forever be ensconced in my mind; his eyes looked like a newborn's; filled with absolute wonder and amazement. Having actually achieved that record-matching 7th title under the conditions he overcame to win this race seemed to cement the status he justifiably deserves.
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 16, 2020 4:46:50 GMT -8
Mercedes built the fastest car. Lewis got the lap times out of car that it had built into it. Yep. Lewis just didn't overdrive it, unlike pretty much everyone else out there. He didn't have to. Lewis is cruising in that car 90% of the time during races. As soon as DRS was enabled, I knew Lewis had it. I thought it was interesting that Max couldn't pass his teammate even when he had DRS |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 16, 2020 4:59:04 GMT -8
Mercedes built the fastest car. Lewis got the lap times out of car that it had built into it. Yep. Lewis just didn't overdrive it, unlike pretty much everyone else out there. He didn't have to. Lewis is cruising in that car 90% of the time during races. As soon as DRS was enabled, I knew Lewis had it. How many cars did he overtake for position with DRS in this race? Where are those position trackers that people post occasionally? Thanks! |
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Post by Pistola on Nov 16, 2020 7:55:01 GMT -8
Yep. Lewis just didn't overdrive it, unlike pretty much everyone else out there. He didn't have to. Lewis is cruising in that car 90% of the time during races. As soon as DRS was enabled, I knew Lewis had it. I thought it was interesting that Max couldn't pass his teammate even when he had DRS The track was a one lane road. Even with DRS if you spun your wheels out of the corner, which most people did, passing and then braking wasn't possible. It was a unique situation where driving off line in the rain wasn't possible and Merc fell into the right answer by staying out longer than anybody else. Additionally every teams' strategy was affected by the unusual happening in a wet race of no safety car. |
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Post by jmjgt on Nov 16, 2020 10:17:24 GMT -8
Bottas also lived up to not being a championship contender. I'm not sure what Lewis and MB did so right today and what everyone else did wrong. Even if Strolle stayed out Lewis still would've drove past him. I don't think there was anything they could do to beat Lewis today. He wasn't fast until around the halfway point unless he was holding back all weekend. Lewis found a way to drive 80% of the race distance on intermediates that had worn to slicks at about the same rate as the track was drying out and he was able to keep it on track when reality said he should be spinning into the tulips. Schumacher did the same thing years back, wearing the tread off of the inters leaves less rubber to overheat as the track slowly dries. The trick is to balance the tire's temperature between too cold (no grip) and too hot (blisters), Hamilton used the dry and wet parts of the track to do that, and had DAS as well. The others made the mistake of pitting and exposing their full tread tires to graining. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Nov 16, 2020 10:29:02 GMT -8
Yep. Lewis just didn't overdrive it, unlike pretty much everyone else out there. He didn't have to. Lewis is cruising in that car 90% of the time during races. As soon as DRS was enabled, I knew Lewis had it. I thought it was interesting that Max couldn't pass his teammate even when he had DRS We've seen this quite a few times before though, right, when dealing with two guys in the same car? Usually there's a faster car approaching a slower car, and the car behind engages DRS and just blows past. With teammates, the cars are so equal that on some tracks DRS doesn't quite give the trailing car enough of a boost to make it past. I remember seeing it with the Mercs, esp when Lewis and Rosberg were battling. ... AND what Pistola said! Great points. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Nov 16, 2020 10:33:27 GMT -8
Yep. Lewis just didn't overdrive it, unlike pretty much everyone else out there. He didn't have to. Lewis is cruising in that car 90% of the time during races. As soon as DRS was enabled, I knew Lewis had it. How many cars did he overtake for position with DRS in this race? Where are those position trackers that people post occasionally? Thanks! Dunno, didn't count. But I just remember at the time he was in P5 and the next 4 cars were bunched tightly enough that I knew he'd have a good shot. I remember, right after that Albon went off, and iirc 1 or 2 had to pit as well. |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 16, 2020 12:25:01 GMT -8
How many cars did he overtake for position with DRS in this race? Where are those position trackers that people post occasionally? Thanks! Dunno, didn't count. But I just remember at the time he was in P5 and the next 4 cars were bunched tightly enough that I knew he'd have a good shot. I remember, right after that Albon went off, and iirc 1 or 2 had to pit as well. that was my point; I did he use DRS to overtake anyone? And yes, DRS does not always work with equal cars but I believe that is generally because you cannot get close enough in the final corners because of dirty air so you aren't close enough to pass with DRS. Dirty air was not really the limiting factor in this race so Max was plenty close behind. Lewis drove a helluva race. Used strategy to his advantage. Kept his nose clean. Drove strong. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Nov 16, 2020 14:33:40 GMT -8
Lewis found a way to drive 80% of the race distance on intermediates that had worn to slicks at about the same rate as the track was drying out and he was able to keep it on track when reality said he should be spinning into the tulips. Schumacher did the same thing years back, wearing the tread off of the inters leaves less rubber to overheat as the track slowly dries. The trick is to balance the tire's temperature between too cold (no grip) and too hot (blisters), Hamilton used the dry and wet parts of the track to do that, and had DAS as well. The others made the mistake of pitting and exposing their full tread tires to graining. Racing Point found a reason for Stroll's graining ...
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 16, 2020 15:38:56 GMT -8
Dunno, didn't count. But I just remember at the time he was in P5 and the next 4 cars were bunched tightly enough that I knew he'd have a good shot. I remember, right after that Albon went off, and iirc 1 or 2 had to pit as well. that was my point; I did he use DRS to overtake anyone? And yes, DRS does not always work with equal cars but I believe that is generally because you cannot get close enough in the final corners because of dirty air so you aren't close enough to pass with DRS. Dirty air was not really the limiting factor in this race so Max was plenty close behind. Lewis drove a helluva race. Used strategy to his advantage. Kept his nose clean. Drove strong. He was driving the fastest car. |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 16, 2020 15:41:29 GMT -8
that was my point; I did he use DRS to overtake anyone? And yes, DRS does not always work with equal cars but I believe that is generally because you cannot get close enough in the final corners because of dirty air so you aren't close enough to pass with DRS. Dirty air was not really the limiting factor in this race so Max was plenty close behind. Lewis drove a helluva race. Used strategy to his advantage. Kept his nose clean. Drove strong. He was driving the fastest car. So was Bottas. Was Perez driving the second fastest car and Vettel the third? I know, I know.... |
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Post by wayfast on Nov 16, 2020 16:26:04 GMT -8
that was my point; I did he use DRS to overtake anyone? And yes, DRS does not always work with equal cars but I believe that is generally because you cannot get close enough in the final corners because of dirty air so you aren't close enough to pass with DRS. Dirty air was not really the limiting factor in this race so Max was plenty close behind. Lewis drove a helluva race. Used strategy to his advantage. Kept his nose clean. Drove strong. He was driving the fastest car. Well, there is that too! |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 16, 2020 17:18:00 GMT -8
He was driving the fastest car. So was Bottas. Was Perez driving the second fastest car and Vettel the third? I know, I know.... Bottas is a well proven doormat who collapses under the slightest pressure, as you well know. And Yes, Perez was in the second fastest car this past weekend and the Ferrari was the third fastest. That is why they finish 2nd and 3rd. That is how it works in F1, haven't you noticed? |
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 16, 2020 17:50:31 GMT -8
Lewis found a way to drive 80% of the race distance on intermediates that had worn to slicks at about the same rate as the track was drying out and he was able to keep it on track when reality said he should be spinning into the tulips. Schumacher did the same thing years back, wearing the tread off of the inters leaves less rubber to overheat as the track slowly dries. The trick is to balance the tire's temperature between too cold (no grip) and too hot (blisters), Hamilton used the dry and wet parts of the track to do that, and had DAS as well. The others made the mistake of pitting and exposing their full tread tires to graining. And Bottas managed to spin 6 times with the same car and get lapped in addition. |
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Post by mmi16 on Nov 16, 2020 17:57:35 GMT -8
that was my point; I did he use DRS to overtake anyone? And yes, DRS does not always work with equal cars but I believe that is generally because you cannot get close enough in the final corners because of dirty air so you aren't close enough to pass with DRS. Dirty air was not really the limiting factor in this race so Max was plenty close behind. Lewis drove a helluva race. Used strategy to his advantage. Kept his nose clean. Drove strong. He was driving the fastest car. It is one thing to have the fastest car - but to extract the maximum level of performance from it in the conditions that existed in Turkey took drivers to their 'next level' abilities. Some drivers had the next level abilities - some did not. Some had ALMOST next level abilities and then crapped out on the final turn. |
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 17, 2020 4:11:19 GMT -8
So was Bottas. Was Perez driving the second fastest car and Vettel the third? I know, I know.... Bottas is a well proven doormat who collapses under the slightest pressure, as you well know. And Yes, Perez was in the second fastest car this past weekend and the Ferrari was the third fastest. That is why they finish 2nd and 3rd. That is how it works in F1, haven't you noticed? I guess we can just quit racing now since we have the answers. Cool! Sort of boring, though. |
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Post by mikey on Nov 17, 2020 4:43:40 GMT -8
Schumacher did the same thing years back, wearing the tread off of the inters leaves less rubber to overheat as the track slowly dries. The trick is to balance the tire's temperature between too cold (no grip) and too hot (blisters), Hamilton used the dry and wet parts of the track to do that, and had DAS as well. The others made the mistake of pitting and exposing their full tread tires to graining. And Bottas managed to spin 6 times with the same car and get lapped in addition. UNLESS we find out Lewis used an engine mode that was designed for wet weather that either Bottas didn't have available or was used illegally......otherwise YES Lewis drove one heck of a race to win it. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 17, 2020 5:59:20 GMT -8
Bottas is a well proven doormat who collapses under the slightest pressure, as you well know. And Yes, Perez was in the second fastest car this past weekend and the Ferrari was the third fastest. That is why they finish 2nd and 3rd. That is how it works in F1, haven't you noticed? I guess we can just quit racing now since we have the answers. Cool! Sort of boring, though. Maybe you missed it because the past eight years of F1 racing has been completely predictable and boring. I have called the winners of WDC and WCC before the season even started and have been correct 15 out of 16 times. Get it? Mercedes built the fastest car which means one of their drivers is 99% assured to be the WDC. That is how F1 works, and has always worked. Just look at the history. |
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