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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 19, 2020 10:30:40 GMT -8
Haas F1 drivers penalised, Magnussen drops to P10Both Haas drivers have had ten seconds added on to their final race time at the Hungarian Grand Prix, dropping Kevin Magnussen from ninth to tenth. The American squad was under investigation for using driver aids during the formation lap prior to the start of the grand prix. Both Romain Grosjean and Magnussen entered the pit lane at the end of the formation lap to attach a set of slick tyres to their cars, with the Hungaroring track rapidly drying. However, they did so under instruction from the team, which breaches the sporting regulations. A statement from the stewards reads: “Having considered the matter extensively, the Stewards determined that the team instructed the driver to pit. “The team could not prove that one of the exemptions made under paragraph A. 2. a) to g) of the Technical Directive 011-17 was applicable. “Therefore, the Stewards consider there is breach of Art. 27.1 of the Sporting Regulations, that the driver must drive the car alone and unaided.” www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/256731/haas-f1-drivers-penalised-magnussen-drops-to-p10
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 19, 2020 10:32:09 GMT -8
Albon avoids penalty following grid incident before Hungarian GPAlexander Albon has kept his fifth-place finishing position at the Hungarian Grand Prix after the stewards investigated an incident involving Red Bull using leaf blowers to dry his grid slot before the race. Red Bull was accused of using the leaf blowers to clear away water from Albon's grid box, which is strictly outlawed in the regulations. However, following an investigation, it has been determined that Red Bull was not attempting to move the water to provide Albon with more grip on the start line. Albon started the race from 12th on the grid following a tough qualifying session that saw him drop out at the end of Q2. www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/256729/albon-avoids-penalty-following-grid-incident-before-hungarian-gp
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 19, 2020 10:35:48 GMT -8
Haas F1 drivers penalised, Magnussen drops to P10Both Haas drivers have had ten seconds added on to their final race time at the Hungarian Grand Prix, dropping Kevin Magnussen from ninth to tenth. The American squad was under investigation for using driver aids during the formation lap prior to the start of the grand prix. Both Romain Grosjean and Magnussen entered the pit lane at the end of the formation lap to attach a set of slick tyres to their cars, with the Hungaroring track rapidly drying. However, they did so under instruction from the team, which breaches the sporting regulations. A statement from the stewards reads: “Having considered the matter extensively, the Stewards determined that the team instructed the driver to pit. “The team could not prove that one of the exemptions made under paragraph A. 2. a) to g) of the Technical Directive 011-17 was applicable. “Therefore, the Stewards consider there is breach of Art. 27.1 of the Sporting Regulations, that the driver must drive the car alone and unaided.” www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/256731/haas-f1-drivers-penalised-magnussen-drops-to-p10 That doesn't seem to make sense. |
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Post by wayfast on Jul 19, 2020 11:34:43 GMT -8
I don't know where these teams are getting their weather data from but I hope they aren't paying for it. They kept saying rain coming in so many minutes or laps and it never happened. If they would have looked at the weather channel website -like I did- they could tell they rain was going to miss them.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 19, 2020 11:41:27 GMT -8
Haas F1 drivers penalised, Magnussen drops to P10Both Haas drivers have had ten seconds added on to their final race time at the Hungarian Grand Prix, dropping Kevin Magnussen from ninth to tenth. The American squad was under investigation for using driver aids during the formation lap prior to the start of the grand prix. Both Romain Grosjean and Magnussen entered the pit lane at the end of the formation lap to attach a set of slick tyres to their cars, with the Hungaroring track rapidly drying. However, they did so under instruction from the team, which breaches the sporting regulations. A statement from the stewards reads: “Having considered the matter extensively, the Stewards determined that the team instructed the driver to pit. “The team could not prove that one of the exemptions made under paragraph A. 2. a) to g) of the Technical Directive 011-17 was applicable. “Therefore, the Stewards consider there is breach of Art. 27.1 of the Sporting Regulations, that the driver must drive the car alone and unaided.” www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/256731/haas-f1-drivers-penalised-magnussen-drops-to-p10 That doesn't seem to make sense. What's the difference between that and box box box?
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Post by Pistola on Jul 19, 2020 12:27:14 GMT -8
Haas F1 drivers penalised, Magnussen drops to P10Both Haas drivers have had ten seconds added on to their final race time at the Hungarian Grand Prix, dropping Kevin Magnussen from ninth to tenth. The American squad was under investigation for using driver aids during the formation lap prior to the start of the grand prix. Both Romain Grosjean and Magnussen entered the pit lane at the end of the formation lap to attach a set of slick tyres to their cars, with the Hungaroring track rapidly drying. However, they did so under instruction from the team, which breaches the sporting regulations. A statement from the stewards reads: “Having considered the matter extensively, the Stewards determined that the team instructed the driver to pit. “The team could not prove that one of the exemptions made under paragraph A. 2. a) to g) of the Technical Directive 011-17 was applicable. “Therefore, the Stewards consider there is breach of Art. 27.1 of the Sporting Regulations, that the driver must drive the car alone and unaided.” www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/256731/haas-f1-drivers-penalised-magnussen-drops-to-p10 That doesn't seem to make sense. Only to the FIA. IIRC this directive was brought about by drivers getting instructions on clutch settings for the start. |
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Post by chernaudi on Jul 19, 2020 12:36:55 GMT -8
FIA is run by a bunch of idiots and they need the same officials on the stewards panel each and every race. Or put it all in the hands of the race director.
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Post by mikey on Jul 19, 2020 12:50:10 GMT -8
That doesn't seem to make sense. What's the difference between that and box box box?
If I were Ferrari I would protest against Mercedes telling Lewis to "box box" just because of what Toto said pre-race!!! Let the Stewards look like idiots at the appeal and maybe they will fix the stupid rule!! |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 19, 2020 12:56:43 GMT -8
That doesn't seem to make sense. What's the difference between that and box box box?
I don't know. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 19, 2020 12:58:00 GMT -8
What's the difference between that and box box box?
If I were Ferrari I would protest against Mercedes telling Lewis to "box box" just because of what Toto said pre-race!!! Let the Stewards look like idiots at the appeal and maybe they will fix the stupid rule!! Ferrari's got enough to concern them besides frivolous protests. They need to challenge before it would matter. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 19, 2020 12:59:46 GMT -8
There are several things that are allowed to be on the radio on the formation lap, instructing the driver to pit for a change to dry tires isn't one of them. It wouldn't matter who the stewards are the rule is the same. The only point is where did the 10 seconds come from. Spinning another driver is good for 5 seconds but the pit giving bad instruction on the formation lap is 10 seconds.
Edit: It cost both drivers a position which wouldn't have changed even if a 5 sec penalty had been given.
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Post by Pistola on Jul 19, 2020 14:21:51 GMT -8
With all the facilities, engineers, and high tech tools why can't the F1 teams make a mask that doesn't fall off during an interview.  |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 19, 2020 14:35:20 GMT -8
With all the facilities, engineers, and high tech tools why can't the F1 teams make a mask that doesn't fall off during an interview. Notice the cheap blue ones don't have that problem, only the custom team ones. Except MB's. Theirs are the cheap kind color coordinated. Black with teal trim. |
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Post by wayfast on Jul 19, 2020 17:01:03 GMT -8
The one I don't get is Bottas not getting a penalty for jumping the start. He penalized himself by screwing up his start after he jumped but he clear moved forward before the lights went out. I've seen others get penalized for the same move.
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Post by boomer on Jul 19, 2020 19:16:39 GMT -8
Its a good thing that I chose to skip getting out of bed to watch this garbage "almost" live!  |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 20, 2020 1:21:14 GMT -8
The one I don't get is Bottas not getting a penalty for jumping the start. He penalized himself by screwing up his start after he jumped but he clear moved forward before the lights went out. I've seen others get penalized for the same move. I think the story is that he did not breach the box, came to another stop and was stopped when the lights went out. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 20, 2020 4:21:02 GMT -8
The one I don't get is Bottas not getting a penalty for jumping the start. He penalized himself by screwing up his start after he jumped but he clear moved forward before the lights went out. I've seen others get penalized for the same move. I think the story is that he did not breach the box, came to another stop and was stopped when the lights went out. I looked back at it and to my eye he did not fully stop again. But they have data and IIRC there is some definition of "stop" that FIA uses that is "under x m/s" or whatever. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 20, 2020 5:05:16 GMT -8
I think the story is that he did not breach the box, came to another stop and was stopped when the lights went out. I looked back at it and to my eye he did not fully stop again. But they have data and IIRC there is some definition of "stop" that FIA uses that is "under x m/s" or whatever. Sounds about right. STOP does not mean stop in FIA speak. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 20, 2020 7:13:02 GMT -8
I looked back at it and to my eye he did not fully stop again. But they have data and IIRC there is some definition of "stop" that FIA uses that is "under x m/s" or whatever. Sounds about right. STOP does not mean stop in FIA speak. His sensors did not violate the tolerance box. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Jul 20, 2020 8:46:44 GMT -8
so yesterday fattel finished 6th and leclerc finished 11th or so. in a pig of a car. the reason fattel finished 6th is because when they both stopped for their 1st tire change ferrari put softs on leclerc's car and wanted to put softs on fattels car but fattel said no, he wanted mediums. which was the correct call. so it's bad enough that the car is a turd, but they still can't make a correct pit wall call. They need to get the blond female engineer back. Ruth. That gal has made some legendary pit wall calls. For ferrari, haas, and sauber.  |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA