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Post by loudpedal on Sept 13, 2018 5:33:51 GMT -8
While the frog may be smoking backcrack - the idea - using the F1 'Power Unit' as the power for WEC & LeMans has merit. I seem to recall in the 60's and early 70's Sports Cars in the major series were using detuned F1 engines. Using the engines in multiple venues would spread the R&D costs over a wider base of customers - making it 'in theory' less expensive for all users. Sure, by forcing other series to use F1's piece-of-shit 'Power Units' it will keep them from developing and innovating. By holding the others back, the crap 'racing' that F1 produces won't seem so bad.
Great idea for F1. For the other series, not so much.
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Post by mmi16 on Sept 13, 2018 6:18:18 GMT -8
While the frog may be smoking backcrack - the idea - using the F1 'Power Unit' as the power for WEC & LeMans has merit. I seem to recall in the 60's and early 70's Sports Cars in the major series were using detuned F1 engines. Using the engines in multiple venues would spread the R&D costs over a wider base of customers - making it 'in theory' less expensive for all users. Sure, by forcing other series to use F1's piece-of-shit 'Power Units' it will keep them from developing and innovating. By holding the others back, the crap 'racing' that F1 produces won't seem so bad.
Great idea for F1. For the other series, not so much.
Other series don't have the testing and updating restrictions that F1 has. Power Unit manufacturers could develop and test improvements that they aren't able to do in F1. |
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Post by Pistola on Sept 13, 2018 6:45:48 GMT -8
Sure, by forcing other series to use F1's piece-of-shit 'Power Units' it will keep them from developing and innovating. By holding the others back, the crap 'racing' that F1 produces won't seem so bad.
Great idea for F1. For the other series, not so much.
Other series don't have the testing and updating restrictions that F1 has. Power Unit manufacturers could develop and test improvements that they aren't able to do in F1. The point here is it's a solution that has been brought up many times over many decades and has failed to gain any traction so what is the need for Todt to say it again except to explain his own failure.
These guys have yet to present any solution for the years beyond 2020 and time's getting short.
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Post by olderguysrule on Sept 13, 2018 7:12:47 GMT -8
2021 car.  check it out. less front wing crap. the floor seems to follow the body of the car so less crap there. big wheels. I like it already. especially since it's red. :-) |
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Post by Pistola on Sept 13, 2018 7:47:04 GMT -8
^Jean should be told Ross has been into his stash.
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 13, 2018 8:12:41 GMT -8
Other series don't have the testing and updating restrictions that F1 has. Power Unit manufacturers could develop and test improvements that they aren't able to do in F1. The point here is it's a solution that has been brought up many times over many decades and has failed to gain any traction so what is the need for Todt to say it again except to explain his own failure.
These guys have yet to present any solution for the years beyond 2020 and time's getting short.
Last time someone tried this gambit it ruined group C, the root of the plan was (is?) to lure manufacturers into F1 not the other way around. The toad thinks he can trick VAG, Toyota just like the little king did with Peugeot and Merc back in the nineties. Anything F1 is just too expensive for use in other categories. The can has already been kick for 2020, who knows how long we're stuck with this crap. |
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Post by Buck on Sept 14, 2018 7:09:31 GMT -8
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Post by olderguysrule on Sept 14, 2018 7:20:28 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 14, 2018 12:15:17 GMT -8
^It really does.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 14, 2018 14:51:40 GMT -8
At this point I almost do not care what the cars look like. I just want the drivers' whining that they couldn't overtake because of aero to stop.
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Post by kyng on Sept 15, 2018 17:40:40 GMT -8
I'm personally not a huge fan of how these new cars look: they're too simple for my tastes. I actually liked the look of the 2007-08 cars: they looked advanced and cutting-edge to me.
However, all I really care about is the quality of the racing (and I don't remember the racing being particularly good in 2007-08). So, if these will give us more entertaining races, then I say bring 'em on!
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Post by Buck on Sept 18, 2018 14:32:51 GMT -8
Saw an earlier tweet today which I cannot find suggesting Porsche would be in F1 in 2021...
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Post by Zytes on Sept 18, 2018 14:46:16 GMT -8
Saw an earlier tweet today which I cannot find suggesting Porsche would be in F1 in 2021... This one maybe?
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Post by Buck on Sept 18, 2018 16:17:33 GMT -8
No. The one I saw was more like a presentation of their program. But glad to see some other supporting ideas.
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Post by Buck on Sept 18, 2018 16:20:48 GMT -8
Here it is...
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 18, 2018 16:44:14 GMT -8
^ That is meaningless fanzine/fanboy stuff.
Word going around the Porsche Club is Porsche is not going into F1. They are instead going back to WEC and Le Mans once the new prototype rules are announced.
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Post by Pistola on Sept 18, 2018 17:01:16 GMT -8
Which will probably be announced before the F1 rules are. e5289320
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Post by drj206 on Sept 19, 2018 13:25:28 GMT -8
I don't understand why the regs are so complex! Give the teams a min/max length/width and ride hight for the cars - 'virtual box'. Give them an amount of fuel they will need to carry for a race. Tell them how many pits stops they need to make per race. As long as they stay in the 'box' they can build what ever they want to get the fastest car they can. Why does F1 have so many restrictions? That's what's making it expensive for the teams not the development of the engines. Let them make what ever they want. Then maybe just maybe we'll see some new innovations from F1 designers & engineers. Remember the 6 wheel Tyrrell? each car could be different and I think fans would love seeing their team's car different to the others other than just a paint job! I know it's a bit more complex but man it has to be less restrictive.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 19, 2018 13:45:40 GMT -8
^ Amen.
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 19, 2018 14:35:49 GMT -8
^^The regs are the way they are because the factory teams have a nasty habit of quitting when the sport no longer suits them (see BMW, Toyota etc), or they wander down the wrong conceptual path (see Ferrari 126 turbo engine, Honda V12). Imagine spending half a billion on the best of everything then getting whipped by some privateer that comes up with a concept you can't adapt to your car (see Lotus 79 vs Ferrari), that's a long painful season right there (see Brawn GP vs the entire field).
So the powers that be made it so you can't screw things up THAT badly by forcing everyone to build pretty much the same damn thing, now the factories can happily out development the unwashed over the course of the year, gobble up as many Bernie bucks as possible and not leave for some hot young sexy trollop (see Formula E).
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA