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Post by mikey on Jul 2, 2018 17:11:42 GMT -8
Personaly I think the teams should be allowed ONE engine for the year. Development is unlimited! Beyond the 1st engine of the year you introduce your development items with a known grid place penalty. Introduce developments whenever and wherever you think you can withstand the penalty best. The ultimate in strategy. If you blow up a engine in the race there is no additional penalty, blow it up in practice or qualifying there will be additional penalties and if the grid spots exceed 20 the balance gets carried over from race to race until down to something less than 20. I like the last part about carry over penalties but not the 'in a race there is no penalty for blowing an engine' that could mean Teams baby one that's going bad thru P1, 2 and 3 Qually and then BOOM get a new one for free for the next race. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 2, 2018 19:24:15 GMT -8
Personaly I think the teams should be allowed ONE engine for the year. Development is unlimited! Beyond the 1st engine of the year you introduce your development items with a known grid place penalty. Introduce developments whenever and wherever you think you can withstand the penalty best. The ultimate in strategy. If you blow up a engine in the race there is no additional penalty, blow it up in practice or qualifying there will be additional penalties and if the grid spots exceed 20 the balance gets carried over from race to race until down to something less than 20. I like the last part about carry over penalties but not the 'in a race there is no penalty for blowing an engine' that could mean Teams baby one that's going bad thru P1, 2 and 3 Qually and then BOOM get a new one for free for the next race. But with RARE exception you don't get ANY result or points from the race you blew it up in, the rule could also specify - if you blow the engine, you can't classified as a finisher and able to claim points. |
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Post by gturner38 on Jul 3, 2018 16:22:07 GMT -8
aston martin has a new supercar. they could prolly detune it and run in the upcoming supercar class or whatever it's called at LeMans. the sides and back look pretty good. the front looks hideous.   There's no way that car will be going to Le Mans. Aston Martin already spent a ton of money to develop a new GTE car, which is garbage on low downforce tracks so it better be amazing at Silverstone next month. As for being in the hypercar LMP1 category, I think we have to look more at lightweight, aero dependent cars like whatever the next generation of the McLaren P1 would be or, if Aston really wanted to throw money that they don't have at that class, a version of the new AM-RB 001.  |
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Post by loudpedal on Jul 3, 2018 16:35:43 GMT -8
^That red car has the frontal area of a sheet of plywood.
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Post by gturner38 on Jul 3, 2018 17:33:08 GMT -8
^That red car has the frontal area of a sheet of plywood. It also has 715 hp to compensate for it. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 3, 2018 19:06:26 GMT -8
^That red car has the frontal area of a sheet of plywood. It also has 715 hp to compensate for it. On Mulsanne it would probably need 1115 hp to be competitive. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 4, 2018 8:16:49 GMT -8
The new regulations are supposed to be presented to the Strategy Group today for whatever.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 10, 2018 5:00:49 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 10, 2018 5:57:57 GMT -8
When all is said and done - this is a power struggle between the FIA and the Manufacturers.
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Post by loudpedal on Jul 10, 2018 12:30:57 GMT -8
They got this all ass backward from the get go. FIA and a couple activist manufacturers (Mercedes and Renault) managed to shove bleeding edge crap down the throats everyone else while one of them (Mercedes) took a gamble and got a development jump on the rest of them. The token system ensured that if you didn't start with the magic formula you would never catch up.
Since that has changed there has been some movement but not a lot. Haves and have nots will always be around in F1 and I think we can all agree on that. But everyone should be allowed to catch up. Now there are the severe restrictions on numbers of components. I have long argued that it is cheaper to make a decent part to last 2 or 3 races than a part that has to last a third of a season. The front end costs will never be recouped by the marginal savings of less production.
They'll never fix this, but by now they have (or at least by 2021 will have) the current formula pretty well figured out. If they give them more fuel and higher revs it will help. But you know what? They could just do that for next year and get a head start. If they back off and get realistic by allowing more components per season it would be much better.
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 10, 2018 15:09:31 GMT -8
They got this all ass backward from the get go. FIA and a couple activist manufacturers (Mercedes and Renault) managed to shove bleeding edge crap down the throats everyone else while one of them (Mercedes) took a gamble and got a development jump on the rest of them. The token system ensured that if you didn't start with the magic formula you would never catch up.
Since that has changed there has been some movement but not a lot. Haves and have nots will always be around in F1 and I think we can all agree on that. But everyone should be allowed to catch up. Now there are the severe restrictions on numbers of components. I have long argued that it is cheaper to make a decent part to last 2 or 3 races than a part that has to last a third of a season. The front end costs will never be recouped by the marginal savings of less production.
They'll never fix this, but by now they have (or at least by 2021 will have) the current formula pretty well figured out. If they give them more fuel and higher revs it will help. But you know what? They could just do that for next year and get a head start. If they back off and get realistic by allowing more components per season it would be much better.
I still think the engine limit should be 1 for the year. Introduce improvements and take the grid penalties. NOBODY will stand still on the engine they started the year with. F1 is about developments - race to race. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 10, 2018 16:57:43 GMT -8
They got this all ass backward from the get go. FIA and a couple activist manufacturers (Mercedes and Renault) managed to shove bleeding edge crap down the throats everyone else while one of them (Mercedes) took a gamble and got a development jump on the rest of them. The token system ensured that if you didn't start with the magic formula you would never catch up.
Since that has changed there has been some movement but not a lot. Haves and have nots will always be around in F1 and I think we can all agree on that. But everyone should be allowed to catch up. Now there are the severe restrictions on numbers of components. I have long argued that it is cheaper to make a decent part to last 2 or 3 races than a part that has to last a third of a season. The front end costs will never be recouped by the marginal savings of less production.
They'll never fix this, but by now they have (or at least by 2021 will have) the current formula pretty well figured out. If they give them more fuel and higher revs it will help. But you know what? They could just do that for next year and get a head start. If they back off and get realistic by allowing more components per season it would be much better.
Judging by the difference in pace of, say, Haas and Ferrari, it isn't just the engine that is the winner. |
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Post by Buck on Jul 10, 2018 17:02:03 GMT -8
This is way more complicated than it needs to be...
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Post by gturner38 on Jul 12, 2018 21:39:10 GMT -8
They got this all ass backward from the get go. FIA and a couple activist manufacturers (Mercedes and Renault) managed to shove bleeding edge crap down the throats everyone else while one of them (Mercedes) took a gamble and got a development jump on the rest of them. The token system ensured that if you didn't start with the magic formula you would never catch up.
Since that has changed there has been some movement but not a lot. Haves and have nots will always be around in F1 and I think we can all agree on that. But everyone should be allowed to catch up. Now there are the severe restrictions on numbers of components. I have long argued that it is cheaper to make a decent part to last 2 or 3 races than a part that has to last a third of a season. The front end costs will never be recouped by the marginal savings of less production.
They'll never fix this, but by now they have (or at least by 2021 will have) the current formula pretty well figured out. If they give them more fuel and higher revs it will help. But you know what? They could just do that for next year and get a head start. If they back off and get realistic by allowing more components per season it would be much better.
If F1 teams would settle for "decent parts" then the savings might be true. However, what they would end out doing is trying to maximize the performance so they end out with a 1000 hp engine that lasts 2 races instead of an 800 hp engine that lasts 7 with the result is that they would be spending just as much on development. So long as Mercedes, Renault, Honda, and Ferrari are willing to spend the money on development, they are going to spend it no matter what the formula is. The only difference is what it costs to supply engines to the smaller teams. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 18, 2018 8:11:58 GMT -8
It sound like maybe there is a plan..............................................for new mirrors. Congrats to all involved.  |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 18, 2018 8:24:32 GMT -8
They got this all ass backward from the get go. FIA and a couple activist manufacturers (Mercedes and Renault) managed to shove bleeding edge crap down the throats everyone else while one of them (Mercedes) took a gamble and got a development jump on the rest of them. The token system ensured that if you didn't start with the magic formula you would never catch up.
Since that has changed there has been some movement but not a lot. Haves and have nots will always be around in F1 and I think we can all agree on that. But everyone should be allowed to catch up. Now there are the severe restrictions on numbers of components. I have long argued that it is cheaper to make a decent part to last 2 or 3 races than a part that has to last a third of a season. The front end costs will never be recouped by the marginal savings of less production.
They'll never fix this, but by now they have (or at least by 2021 will have) the current formula pretty well figured out. If they give them more fuel and higher revs it will help. But you know what? They could just do that for next year and get a head start. If they back off and get realistic by allowing more components per season it would be much better.
If F1 teams would settle for "decent parts" then the savings might be true. However, what they would end out doing is trying to maximize the performance so they end out with a 1000 hp engine that lasts 2 races instead of an 800 hp engine that lasts 7 with the result is that they would be spending just as much on development. So long as Mercedes, Renault, Honda, and Ferrari are willing to spend the money on development, they are going to spend it no matter what the formula is. The only difference is what it costs to supply engines to the smaller teams. One engine for the year - introduce updates when you can afford the penalties. Develop the Power Units as much or a little as your funds and position in the championship will allow. |
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 19, 2018 5:07:53 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 20, 2018 13:28:44 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 20, 2018 15:16:41 GMT -8
The rest of the racing world deals with cold tires - so should F1. |
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Post by schumifan24 on Jul 20, 2018 17:57:05 GMT -8
I feel like they could get 2/3 stop strategies now if they'd bring the softer compounds and give them a few more sets. Maybe even just bring 2 really soft compounds. 3 doesn't seem to have added much variance in strategy.
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