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Post by Pistola on Oct 22, 2020 9:56:55 GMT -8
Last year the drivers told the team the early season updates weren't working but Haas decided to plow on anyway, just after mid season Stiener had to admit the drivers were probably right so it looks like there's a communication problem at the team that needs to be sorted out. They also might want yo start developing their own parts because the Ferrari tie in isn't doing them many favored. Imo RoGro needs to go but Mag is solid enough to keep around for another season, I guess Haas feels it needs to just rip off the band-aid and get it over with. I believe this story is impossible because everyone here tells me that driver input is not used to develop cars these days since the cars have so many sensors that the engineers know everything about the car and don't need those useless prima donnas to tell them anything. If you had a choice of one and you were starting a team would it be Adrian Newey or Lewis Hamilton? |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 22, 2020 10:08:01 GMT -8
I believe this story is impossible because everyone here tells me that driver input is not used to develop cars these days since the cars have so many sensors that the engineers know everything about the car and don't need those useless prima donnas to tell them anything. If you had a choice of one and you were starting a team would it be Adrian Newey or Lewis Hamilton? Well, naturally you need a car first. But even Adrian cannot build a car himself nor will he win races if he drives his own car. My simple point is that it is a symbiotic relationship. |
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Post by racerman967 on Oct 22, 2020 10:59:01 GMT -8
Mick going there could get them FErrari engines for a significantly lower cost, if not free.
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Post by olderguysrule on Oct 22, 2020 11:03:07 GMT -8
If you had a choice of one and you were starting a team would it be Adrian Newey or Lewis Hamilton? Well, naturally you need a car first. But even Adrian cannot build a car himself nor will he win races if he drives his own car. My simple point is that it is a symbiotic relationship. symbiotic relationship. To the tune of the driver puts in 5 to maybe 15 percent. No way is it a 50 - 50 thing. Pick Lulu and give him a car like the Haas back in 2016 (that was a good 1st year car) and he's mid pack at best. Maybe a podium. Pick Newey and he designs a car on a etch a sketch as he nevers uses computers, then get the run of the mill F1 machinists and engineers to build it. And Rogo could prolly win some races. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 22, 2020 11:10:00 GMT -8
Personally if I had to pick one thing to start a team from scratch it would be neither Newey nor Hamilton; it would be a Merc power plant.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 22, 2020 11:18:36 GMT -8
Personally if I had to pick one thing to start a team from scratch it would be neither Newey nor Hamilton; it would be a Merc power plant. I'd start with a pile of cash too high to see over. |
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Post by Pistola on Oct 22, 2020 11:20:43 GMT -8
With Haas telling the drivers they needed to both be gone because of financial considerations it makes me think that Checo might be heading there as he brings $$. But do any of the other non-F1 drivers in the mix have a big sponsorship package? 2 obvious ones. Schumacher because of his Ferrari support along with some of his fathers traditional sponsors. And of course Mazepin who brings the rubles. The reason why both are even relevant is because the income to Liberty because of the pandemic is drastically smaller and therefore the payouts to the teams are going to be smaller. Checo is only of value if his salary isn't a big factor counting against his Carlos Slim sponsorship. The Hulk is fiscally a non factor. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 22, 2020 11:48:04 GMT -8
I believe this story is impossible because everyone here tells me that driver input is not used to develop cars these days since the cars have so many sensors that the engineers know everything about the car and don't need those useless prima donnas to tell them anything. No one here has ever said that. |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 22, 2020 12:06:06 GMT -8
I believe this story is impossible because everyone here tells me that driver input is not used to develop cars these days since the cars have so many sensors that the engineers know everything about the car and don't need those useless prima donnas to tell them anything. No one here has ever said that. I did.   |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 22, 2020 12:33:14 GMT -8
No one here has ever said that. I did. As did MontyBriscoe |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 22, 2020 12:52:06 GMT -8
I did. As did MontyBriscoe You wrote "everyone here", jmjgt and MontyBrisco are not everyone here. |
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Post by mikey on Oct 22, 2020 13:02:37 GMT -8
If there were another silly season right now it would be for engineering talent. With the coming regulation changes that's all that matters. Haas tried to get by with 2 experienced drivers with less emphasis on the engineering side. The way it looks they might make the shift to at least one clear pay driver and put the money back into the design side instead of paying 2 twats who don't improve the car. Last year the drivers told the team the early season updates weren't working but Haas decided to plow on anyway, just after mid season Stiener had to admit the drivers were probably right so it looks like there's a communication problem at the team that needs to be sorted out. They also might want yo start developing their own parts because the Ferrari tie in isn't doing them many favored. Imo RoGro needs to go but Mag is solid enough to keep around for another season, I guess Haas feels it needs to just rip off the band-aid and get it over with. Wasn't it last season Steiner said it would be Mags that was leaving but they ended up keeping him anyway, it sounded like they thought Mags was the weaker driver of the two a year ago. Me I think Mags need a chance at another team to prove that he's not as bad as Steiner thought. BUT I might put him on a shortened season contract just in case he was as bad. |
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Post by mikey on Oct 22, 2020 13:05:22 GMT -8
With Haas telling the drivers they needed to both be gone because of financial considerations it makes me think that Checo might be heading there as he brings $$. But do any of the other non-F1 drivers in the mix have a big sponsorship package? 2 obvious ones. Schumacher because of his Ferrari support along with some of his fathers traditional sponsors. And of course Mazepin who brings the rubles. The reason why both are even relevant is because the income to Liberty because of the pandemic is drastically smaller and therefore the payouts to the teams are going to be smaller. Checo is only of value if his salary isn't a big factor counting against his Carlos Slim sponsorship. The Hulk is fiscally a non factor. And that's always been Hulk's problem, if he could find a decent sponsor he could get a drive. Although with his age that is probably dwindling every time a new F3 guy wins their Championship. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 22, 2020 13:07:42 GMT -8
Kind of packing the Packers were founded on   |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 22, 2020 16:10:39 GMT -8
You wrote "everyone here", jmjgt and MontyBrisco are not everyone here. You wrote "no one here" and those are two someones. Naturally I was being sarcastic but you proved my point. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 22, 2020 16:15:03 GMT -8
You wrote "everyone here", jmjgt and MontyBrisco are not everyone here. You wrote "no one here" and those are two someones. Naturally I was being sarcastic but you proved my point. You lied first. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 22, 2020 18:18:20 GMT -8
You wrote "no one here" and those are two someones. Naturally I was being sarcastic but you proved my point. You lied first. We don't need a 'Presidential Debate'. |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 22, 2020 20:56:10 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Oct 23, 2020 8:51:44 GMT -8
Why Williams new owners are looking elsewhere on drivers.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 23, 2020 9:22:16 GMT -8
Russell will most likely wind up as the Mercedes reserve driver and maybe replace the doormat in 2022 or 2023.
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8