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Post by Sabrina81 on Oct 13, 2019 15:39:30 GMT -8
f1i.com/news/358293-renault-parts-impounded-fia-racing-point-protest.htmlRenault's steering wheels and Electronic Control Units (ECUs) have been impounded by the FIA at Suzuka following a protest from the Racing Point team. The protest alleges a breach of Formula 1's sporting and technical regulations, as well as the FIA's International Sporting Code. The complaint accuses Renault of utilising a "pre-set lap distance-dependent brake bias adjustment system" on the cars of Nico Hulkenberg and Daniel Ricciardo during the Japanese Grand Prix.
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 13, 2019 15:44:20 GMT -8
I was reading that and trying to decide what that might be. An adjustment as the lap proceeds, or an adjustment as the race proceeds.
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Post by Pistola on Oct 13, 2019 16:04:08 GMT -8
This sounds really perverted. Is McLaren involved?
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 13, 2019 16:43:39 GMT -8
Someone ratted Renault out. I blame Hulkenberg.
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Post by donka on Oct 13, 2019 21:06:01 GMT -8
Someone ratted Renault out. I blame Hulkenberg. Which team does Fernando no longer want to drive for now.... oh wait
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 14, 2019 4:19:30 GMT -8
This calls for ... SUPER SLEUTH!!!
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Post by olderguysrule on Oct 14, 2019 4:43:05 GMT -8
I was reading that and trying to decide what that might be. An adjustment as the lap proceeds, or an adjustment as the race proceeds. sounds like the latter to me. which prolly explains some of renault's woes. one less adjustment to make every corner and or lap. some of these guys are adjusting the brake bias multiple times per lap. putting the brake bias on auto would mean one less adjustment. the car would be easier to drive and prolly slower.
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Post by chernaudi on Oct 14, 2019 6:13:13 GMT -8
I did read on Facebook that Racing Point might be going after Renault because they're low hanging fruit compared to Mercedes-AMG, Ferrari and RBR who very well may be using or developing something similar. I wouldn't put it past the Big Three to be at least experimenting with such an item.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 14, 2019 6:17:01 GMT -8
It may be something that's reset after each pit stop to compensate for the cars changing balance as the tires wear. I can't believe Renault (or any team) would be stupid enough to put a device that actively changes the cars settings on the fly, if they did they're risking more than losing a single race result. Maybe it's a system that gives the drivers prompts as to what settings to use as the laps progress. That would be no different than getting those settings from the pits.
Wewillsee.
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Post by Pistola on Oct 14, 2019 7:19:12 GMT -8
I'd sort of forgotten that teams do their own scrutineering this year. Own goal.
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Post by Pistola on Oct 14, 2019 8:19:03 GMT -8
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Post by racerman967 on Oct 14, 2019 13:40:17 GMT -8
So basically they had a system that tracked where they were on the track and adjusted brake bias automatically through out the lap. This violates the FIA rules which state these adjustments must be done by the driver.
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 16, 2019 8:16:36 GMT -8
I thought the FIA was supposed to put out the results of their investigation today? So far all I'm seeing is bullshit about the Grenadian and his seal clubbing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 10:27:48 GMT -8
What's wrong with such a system? It sounds similar to the GPS based ride height adjustments on certain road-relevant automobiles. What is the difference between the engineers instructing the driver to make changes in settings and doing it themselves via telemetry? All the drivers do anymore is follow instruction from the control booth!
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 16, 2019 15:51:19 GMT -8
It seems that it would be straightforward to watch onboard video to see if they are tweaking bias. If they aren't then that is a clue. If they look like they are but they aren't, what's the problem? What would be the advantage of having an automatic system if you still had to essentially do what you would have done anyway?
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 16, 2019 16:35:07 GMT -8
^The advantage is that the car would know in real time where the balance needs to be, which should conceivably more precise than just leaving up to the driver. Having the driver make the final adjustment (prompted by a dash readout) keeps the system from being classified as fully automatic. To me it's suspicious the the FIA only seized the steering wheels and ECM, if their was a mechanical bias actuating device on the car the whole chassis would have been impounded. I think they're more worried about whether Renault had hacked the ECM beyond allowed perimeters.
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Post by chernaudi on Oct 16, 2019 16:40:43 GMT -8
So it seems that the FIA are more concerned with Renault doing some Lindy Sampson/Eye Candy hacking BS to the ECU than using a mechanical system controlled by other means?
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 16, 2019 16:52:30 GMT -8
^That's my thinking, it's like a traction control system that flashes a light on the dash to alert the driver rears are breaking loose. That's not an active system per say because it doesn't STOP the tires from spinning, it just gives the driver a head up so on the surface it's legal. Now, since the regs say that wheel spin can't even be MONITORED the software has no place in the system at all. Nor should there be anything in there counting laps to aid in brake bias adjustment.
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