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Post by mmi16 on May 28, 2023 12:50:50 GMT -8
That can be said about any race, especially with the speeds at Indy. You know damn well what I mean. The closer to the end of the race you have restarts - the more frantic the restarts will be.
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Post by boiler on May 28, 2023 12:51:47 GMT -8
Pretty sure they weren't doing 230 mph pointed straight down pit road trying to pass while swerving.... If those two cars touch its game fucking over......
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Post by mmi16 on May 28, 2023 12:54:40 GMT -8
Pretty sure they weren't doing 230 mph pointed straight down pit road trying to pass while swerving.... If those two cars touch its game fucking over......
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Post by boiler on May 28, 2023 13:05:19 GMT -8
I saw cars driving in a straight line going what 130 mph? I get it the wall is "new" barreling down pit road and swerving at the last minute is dumb to say the least..... If the wall makes things better extend it all the way to T4 completely separating the start/finish straight from the pits like every other track....
Drivers will use all the track and we all know Indycar sucks at managing track limits..... Even F1 put a stop to drivers crossing the white pit line for this exact reason..... You cant cross over pit exit but game on to cross the white line well after pit entry while doing 230 mph blocking and swerving....
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Post by Power Fan79 on May 28, 2023 16:40:13 GMT -8
Every race should be red flagged with one lap to go and have a one lap shootout. The only way to end a race.
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Post by Grizzlor on May 28, 2023 17:01:04 GMT -8
Seems some of the major gripes are how race control handled Ferrucci's nearly errant tire, and the multiple red flags with a handful of laps to go. I had a few thoughts. First, Ferrucci's team WAS penalized, just not the race wrecking NASCAR-style penalty people expected. IndyCar traditionally does not penalize team infractions in-race the way NASCAR does, granted we do not pit 18 times a race like they do.
As for the red flags, look, to quote the suddenly savant Danica, it's about entertainment. The crowd roared with approval. On the last one, again, it's about a good finish. Yes they should have made the call a lap earlier but it's tough to do that quickly. In retrospect, the sheer mountain of recriminations that IndyCar would have had to dealt with would have been colossal. For instance, why did they allow Marcus Ericsson jump every restart they had? When did the yellow light come on could be established, but to decide the race between three drivers, in which the leader didn't even get to lead the damn restart, would have been quite messy. That's a rule that makes no sense to me.
In the end, it was an exciting race largely hidden by NBC commercials, but I'm very happy for Josef Newgarden, the best American talent in IndyCar, on the victory.
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Post by Power Fan79 on May 28, 2023 17:29:01 GMT -8
Seems some of the major gripes are how race control handled Ferrucci's nearly errant tire, and the multiple red flags with a handful of laps to go. I had a few thoughts. First, Ferrucci's team WAS penalized, just not the race wrecking NASCAR-style penalty people expected. IndyCar traditionally does not penalize team infractions in-race the way NASCAR does, granted we do not pit 18 times a race like they do. As for the red flags, look, to quote the suddenly savant Danica, it's about entertainment. The crowd roared with approval. On the last one, again, it's about a good finish. Yes they should have made the call a lap earlier but it's tough to do that quickly. In retrospect, the sheer mountain of recriminations that IndyCar would have had to dealt with would have been colossal. For instance, why did they allow Marcus Ericsson jump every restart they had? When did the yellow light come on could be established, but to decide the race between three drivers, in which the leader didn't even get to lead the damn restart, would have been quite messy. That's a rule that makes no sense to me. In the end, it was an exciting race largely hidden by NBC commercials, but I'm very happy for Josef Newgarden, the best American talent in IndyCar, on the victory. And sacrificing legitimate competition for entertainment will get them nowhere, see NASCAR as an example. Yes, the crowd did roar, but those in attendance have a different perspective than people watching at home and can be unbiased. Becoming WWE on wheels is not a formula for success in my opinion. Having great competition and cutting edge technology would be a better route. At the very least, a race should never be restarted with one lap to go when the second place car has a huge advantage and everyone knows it. 9/10 the second place car will win if they are both competitive cars. That’s probably a conservative estimate.
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Post by mmi16 on May 28, 2023 18:13:31 GMT -8
Seems some of the major gripes are how race control handled Ferrucci's nearly errant tire, and the multiple red flags with a handful of laps to go. I had a few thoughts. First, Ferrucci's team WAS penalized, just not the race wrecking NASCAR-style penalty people expected. IndyCar traditionally does not penalize team infractions in-race the way NASCAR does, granted we do not pit 18 times a race like they do. As for the red flags, look, to quote the suddenly savant Danica, it's about entertainment. The crowd roared with approval. On the last one, again, it's about a good finish. Yes they should have made the call a lap earlier but it's tough to do that quickly. In retrospect, the sheer mountain of recriminations that IndyCar would have had to dealt with would have been colossal. For instance, why did they allow Marcus Ericsson jump every restart they had? When did the yellow light come on could be established, but to decide the race between three drivers, in which the leader didn't even get to lead the damn restart, would have been quite messy. That's a rule that makes no sense to me. In the end, it was an exciting race largely hidden by NBC commercials, but I'm very happy for Josef Newgarden, the best American talent in IndyCar, on the victory. And sacrificing legitimate competition for entertainment will get them nowhere, see NASCAR as an example. Yes, the crowd did roar, but those in attendance have a different perspective than people watching at home and can be unbiased. Becoming WWE on wheels is not a formula for success in my opinion. Having great competition and cutting edge technology would be a better route. At the very least, a race should never be restarted with one lap to go when the second place car has a huge advantage and everyone knows it. 9/10 the second place car will win if they are both competitive cars. That’s probably a conservative estimate. There are means the leader can use to disadvantage 2nd place. (Don't ask - I have never been a position to utilize them). Pato was warned about being too slow (which I don't agree with). Was anyone warned about being too fast? Genuine brake checking is frown about in all forms of racing. Personally, I don't thing passing should be permitted until S/F on a restart. Winning races is as much a mental exercise as it is a driving exercise. Sort of like the competition between pitcher and batter on a pitch by pitch basis - everybody has to have their mind in the game. The incidents of the final laps - red flag incidents and all - were RACERS going for the opportunities THEY saw available. Red Mist does influence RACERS vision.
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Post by mmi16 on May 28, 2023 18:38:57 GMT -8
60 years ago
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Post by Pistola on May 28, 2023 19:05:09 GMT -8
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Post by kidrybot on May 28, 2023 19:19:52 GMT -8
This just needs Mayhem from Allstate laying on the roof of the car
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Post by kidrybot on May 28, 2023 19:40:41 GMT -8
You step into the boardroom. Roger Penske is there at the head of the table. "Oh, hey there guy," he says. "Where do you keep all of your mini-Borgs?"
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Post by kidrybot on May 28, 2023 20:12:36 GMT -8
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Post by Placid on May 29, 2023 8:46:36 GMT -8
You step into the boardroom. Roger Penske is there at the head of the table. "Oh, hey there guy," he says. "Where do you keep all of your mini-Borgs?" Roger: I AM THE CAPTAIN. NOW: GET MY XL BOWL OF CAP'N CRUNCH. I'M HUNGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mmi16 on May 29, 2023 12:02:16 GMT -8
I am most interested in hearing the post mortem on the wheel assembly that went into the stands.
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Post by olderguysrule on May 29, 2023 13:34:10 GMT -8
WWE Indy car series. Next entertainment stop, Detroit.
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Post by Power Fan79 on May 29, 2023 15:20:00 GMT -8
WWE Indy car series. Next entertainment stop, Detroit. They already stole the name WWE uses for their developmental system, NXT. Is this Sundays race a ppv or a regular house-show?
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Post by olderguysrule on May 29, 2023 16:08:06 GMT -8
WWE Indy car series. Next entertainment stop, Detroit. They already stole the name WWE uses for their developmental system, NXT. Is this Sundays race a ppv or a regular house-show? i'll look at my cable tv and post it
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Post by Power Fan79 on May 29, 2023 17:23:11 GMT -8
I guess this standard is different when certain drivers are in second place. The one thing consistent about Indycar is their inconsistency.
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Post by woodnboats on May 29, 2023 17:26:48 GMT -8
Vekay takes out Palu on pit road Now that's the Indy I remember. I was afraid there wasn't going to be any weird drama, but I needn't have worried. Sometime in the mid '60's, when they were letting the local car dealers drive the pace cars, the traditional first-lap crash took place in pits when the pace car took out the pit lane photographers' stand.
What a buncha maroons!
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