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Post by mmi16 on Jun 16, 2019 11:24:46 GMT -8
Safety cars - the way they were deployed created races where there should not have been any and broke up races where there was competition. Having 3 packs circulate do not give workers enough no car time to perform their duties safely and expeditiously. The Full Course Yellow was a total joke. The only thing that seemed to 'work' was the Slow Zone. If there are more than a single incident on track then Safety Cars may be the way to go.
Suggest Safety Car pick up the Overall Leader at the most effective of the Safety Car locations - implement Slow Zone through the scene of the incident - let the field race, except in the Slow Zone until they either catch the back of the Safety Car que, or there is no longer a need for the Slow Zone and the Safety Car. If the wreckage comes to rest on the racing surface - Red Flag approaching the location and Black Flag for all competitors - proceed to the pits and await a restart.
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Post by montybriscoe on Jun 16, 2019 11:52:30 GMT -8
#7 Punctures ????? Toyota 'admits' they changed the wrong tire the first time and had to pit the 2nd time to change the right tire. Unbelievable! Some people think the fix was in. I am not sure but the whole tire sensor thing seemed kind of odd and well-timed, if that was the case. I would think Toyota would have liked to see Kobyashi get the win after Nakajima won last year.
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Post by loudpedal on Jun 16, 2019 11:54:44 GMT -8
During the race I watched three ways of dealing with trouble. Slow zone, safety car and full course yellow.
Slow zones created a concertina effect in specific areas. Depending on track position and the timing of when it started and ended there was a big difference as to how it affected various cars. It did not seem to be fair.
Safety cars were even worse because the three safety cars picked up their groups randomly (or so it seemed). Fast cars got stuck behind slow cars in some groups while in others it was the opposite, which penalized the former with no rhyme or reason.
Full course yellow, which is similar to VSC in F1, looked (to me, at least) to be the most fair. When they threw that everyone, no matter what the car class or track position, maintained a predetermined speed and nobody gained any advantage.
Am I the only one that saw it that way?
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 16, 2019 11:57:48 GMT -8
I agree, VSCs are the way to go.
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Post by chernaudi on Jun 16, 2019 12:43:56 GMT -8
I do wonder what race control's explanation for the use of so many pace car FCYs was vs VSC FCYs. Maybe night was a reason, but they've used VSCs during night races before.
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Post by Buck on Jun 16, 2019 14:05:40 GMT -8
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Post by Buck on Jun 16, 2019 15:56:31 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 16, 2019 16:21:55 GMT -8
I agree, VSCs are the way to go. VSC's don't create any 'Worker Break' at the incident area - there are always cars passing where people are trying to work. A single Safety Car - after the entire field is collected will create a 7-8 minute period of no cars passing the location.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 16, 2019 16:36:54 GMT -8
I agree, VSCs are the way to go. VSC's don't create any 'Worker Break' at the incident area - there are always cars passing where people are trying to work. A single Safety Car - after the entire field is collected will create a 7-8 minute period of no cars passing the location. I disagree. Unless there are car parts strewn all over the track VSC are the way to go.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 16, 2019 16:43:51 GMT -8
VSC's don't create any 'Worker Break' at the incident area - there are always cars passing where people are trying to work. A single Safety Car - after the entire field is collected will create a 7-8 minute period of no cars passing the location. I disagree. Unless there are car parts strewn all over the track VSC are the way to go. Workers are working on fixing and replacing the trackside safety devices - tire walls, Armco, Safer Wall, removing the car(s) involved in the incident - in most cases with heavy equipment - cars continually passing the location don't give these workers a safe place to work.
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Post by loudpedal on Jun 16, 2019 17:53:47 GMT -8
I disagree. Unless there are car parts strewn all over the track VSC are the way to go. Workers are working on fixing and replacing the trackside safety devices - tire walls, Armco, Safer Wall, removing the car(s) involved in the incident - in most cases with heavy equipment - cars continually passing the location don't give these workers a safe place to work. At Le Mans they use three safety cars. So that makes three separate packs of cars coming at intervals.
The marshals are still playing frogger. If you have flag people directing them away from their working area that ought to cover it.
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Post by chernaudi on Jun 17, 2019 12:52:30 GMT -8
#68 and #85 Fords have been DQ'd for .78L and .01L oversized fuel tanks in post race tech. Also, #85 given an ultimately suspended 55 second time penalty for not meeting minimum refueling time.
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Jun 17, 2019 12:55:42 GMT -8
...and you guys get all excited for this French piss test every year. I gave up watching this shit years ago.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 17, 2019 13:00:21 GMT -8
#85 was the Am class winner, oops.
Project 1 Porsche wins GTE-Am.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 17, 2019 13:02:30 GMT -8
...and you guys get all excited for this French piss test every year. I gave up watching this shit years ago. Yes, F1 is in such great place right now, no need to watch anything else.
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Post by chernaudi on Jun 17, 2019 15:11:09 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 17, 2019 15:35:48 GMT -8
For a fucking 10cc's? I suggest the measuring device is 10cc's in error.
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Post by loudpedal on Jun 17, 2019 16:17:45 GMT -8
Yeah, I can see the problem with .78 liter. But .01? That's margin of error territory. C'mon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 16:45:41 GMT -8
...and you guys get all excited for this French piss test every year. I gave up watching this shit years ago. I used to watch Le Mans in spite of its inherent tedium. But this year I slept through the whole circus from a severe bout of depression and disillusionment with just about everything and everyone around me.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 17, 2019 17:27:15 GMT -8
The reports I am reading say it was .1 of a Liter, not .01.
.1L is almost 3.5ozs. That will get you DQed everytime.
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