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Post by Spin on Aug 23, 2018 5:05:12 GMT -8
indycars on ovals are coffins. plain and simple. this year, wickens. last year bourdais at a indi practice. 2015 hinchliffe nearly bought the farm. just because guys are willing to race on ovals, no matter the risk, doesn't mean they should. I disagree. Some people just do risky things when they don't have to. We see Tony Stewart and Kasey Kahne leaving the relative safety of stock cars to go back to open wheel oval track racing. I'd bet money there's a half dozen more who do the same when their contract is up. Why? It's a rush. The speeds, the power, the side-by-side racing, it's a rush you can't get anywhere else. If things had worked out differently in the 70's and 80's they would be in IndyCar now and kicking up dirt on their weekends off. I oval tracked and played football and rode motorcycles and went into burning buildings with a Nomex raincoat on. I get it. I miss it. It's a choice. There are an alphabet soup of road racing entities they could race in. But they choose IndyCar. One more thought, this accident was eerily similar to Dario Franchitti's career ender in Houston. end of rant
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 23, 2018 9:20:57 GMT -8
Not to speak ill - but Wickens placed his car where he had not business doing it and at a point in the race where such a pass would be meaningless with over 475 more miles to contest.
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Post by Power Fan79 on Aug 23, 2018 10:58:10 GMT -8
Not to speak ill - but Wickens placed his car where he had not business doing it and at a point in the race where such a pass would be meaningless with over 475 more miles to contest. That’s the cold hard truth and it’s kind of what Michael Andretti is getting grilled for. It is a horrible outcome and a bad move all at the same time.
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Post by indyfan2 on Aug 23, 2018 12:21:23 GMT -8
Not to speak ill - but Wickens placed his car where he had not business doing it and at a point in the race where such a pass would be meaningless with over 475 more miles to contest. Especially at the infamous tunnel turn. A quick left handed turn with the way today's ridiculously fast cornering speeds. Back then you have to respect the driver and the tunnel turn at the same time, nothing good ever comes after what happened Sunday.
I'm still extremely baffled at fans criticizing Michael Andretti answering an honest question. Michael was an Indycar driver himself for my goodness and that corner is nasty he has to respect it.
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Post by Codfish on Aug 23, 2018 12:30:44 GMT -8
Not to speak ill - but Wickens placed his car where he had not business doing it and at a point in the race where such a pass would be meaningless with over 475 more miles to contest. That’s the cold hard truth and it’s kind of what Michael Andretti is getting grilled for. It is a horrible outcome and a bad move all at the same time. Exactly, and what driver hasn't made the wrong move at the wrong time...? I'm feel badly for Wickens, as I don't think of him as being aggressive the way some drivers (who shall remain anonymous) are... I can't help but think his inexperience at Pocono played a part in this...
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Aug 23, 2018 12:47:00 GMT -8
That’s the cold hard truth and it’s kind of what Michael Andretti is getting grilled for. It is a horrible outcome and a bad move all at the same time. Exactly, and what driver hasn't made the wrong move at the wrong time...? I'm feel badly for Wickens, as I don't think of him as being aggressive the way some drivers (who shall remain anonymous) are... I can't help but think his inexperience at Pocono played a part in this... His inexperience certainly did play a part. He reacted much too late to the approaching tunnel turn and didn't quite clear Hunter-Reay when RHR moved to the apex.
Inexperienced or not, still completely his fault.
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Post by Spin on Aug 23, 2018 13:29:37 GMT -8
How is that turn any different than any other oval track corner? If you get up inside another car and establish yourself there, the outside car either concedes the position, or runs the outside.
Or the third choice, wreck into the car on the inside.
RHR's spotter said twice "car inside." But he took the inside line.
Michael can blame anyone he wants, he's wrecked more IndyCars than anyone I can remember.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Aug 23, 2018 13:46:13 GMT -8
How is that turn any different than any other oval track corner? If you get up inside another car and establish yourself there, the outside car either concedes the position, or runs the outside. Or the third choice, wreck into the car on the inside. RHR's spotter said twice "car inside." But he took the inside line. Michael can blame anyone he wants, he's wrecked more IndyCars than anyone I can remember. He was at most RF slightly ahead of RHR's LR, almost even with the camera on the roll hoop, IOW no man's land, NOT alongside and/or established. There is no outside in that turn to run.
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Post by Codfish on Aug 23, 2018 14:37:09 GMT -8
Exactly, and what driver hasn't made the wrong move at the wrong time...? I'm feel badly for Wickens, as I don't think of him as being aggressive the way some drivers (who shall remain anonymous) are... I can't help but think his inexperience at Pocono played a part in this... His inexperience certainly did play a part. He reacted much too late to the approaching tunnel turn and didn't quite clear Hunter-Reay when RHR moved to the apex.
Inexperienced or not, still completely his fault.
Yeah, I got the impression from what some of the other drivers said that the tunnel turn was not a good place to go two wide... Especially so early in a 500 mile race...
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Post by Spin on Aug 23, 2018 17:31:33 GMT -8
How is that turn any different than any other oval track corner? If you get up inside another car and establish yourself there, the outside car either concedes the position, or runs the outside. Or the third choice, wreck into the car on the inside. RHR's spotter said twice "car inside." But he took the inside line. Michael can blame anyone he wants, he's wrecked more IndyCars than anyone I can remember. He was at most RF slightly ahead of RHR's LR, almost even with the camera on the roll hoop, IOW no man's land, NOT alongside and/or established. There is no outside in that turn to run.
They're almost even as the video starts. As a rookie, I don't think he knew the other drivers weren't going to be looking for anyone else to do anything the first 495 miles. A hard lesson to learn.
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