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Post by r60man on Feb 23, 2022 11:18:15 GMT -8
Fianl Test Times
1. Lando Norris (McLaren) 1:19.568, C4, 102 laps
2. Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 1:20.165, C3, 80 laps
3. Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) 1:20.416, C3, 73 laps
4. George Russell (Mercedes) 1:20.784, C3, 77 laps
5. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 1:20.929, C3, 50 laps
6. Sebastian Vettel (Aston Martin) 1:21.276, C3, 52 laps
7. Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri) 1:21.638, C3, 120 laps
8. Fernando Alonso (Alpine) 1:21.746, C3, 146 laps
9. Max Verstappen (Red Bull) 1:22.246, C2, 147 laps
10. Valtteri Bottas (Alfa Romeo) 1:22.572, C3, 23 laps
11. Alex Albon (Williams) 1:22.760, C3, 66 laps
12. Mick Schumacher (Haas) 1:22.962, C3, 23 laps
13. lance Stroll (Aston Martin) 1:23.327, C3, 67 laps
14. Nicholas Latifi (Williams) 1:23.379, C3, 66 laps
15. Nikita Mazepin (Haas) 1:24.505, C2, 20 laps
16. Robert Kubica (Alfa Romeo) 1:25.909, C3, 9 laps
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Post by r60man on Feb 23, 2022 11:19:01 GMT -8
Not only is Lando's car fast so far, it looks fantastic! :focal(1283x577:1285x575)/origin-imgresizer.eurosport.com/2022/02/23/3326230-68004868-2560-1440.jpg) |
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Post by olderguysrule on Feb 23, 2022 11:36:59 GMT -8
^^ I read the Gary Anderson article. Thanx for the link. Seems he quoted Mark Hughes saying that nobody anticipated the porposie affect. Apparently that may not be true as some of most cars have the anti dive suspension setup. But not everyone. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 23, 2022 12:37:48 GMT -8
First Impressions Of The 2022 Cars With Jolyon Palmer
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Post by mmi16 on Feb 23, 2022 13:00:14 GMT -8
How will the Ukraine situation affect Haas going forward? - Will Soshi take place?
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 23, 2022 13:47:29 GMT -8
^^ I read the Gary Anderson article. Thanx for the link. Seems he quoted Mark Hughes saying that nobody anticipated the porposie affect. Apparently that may not be true as some of most cars have the anti dive suspension setup. But not everyone. The anti dive only works under braking, the porpoise effect is a result of excess downforce at speed overpowering the springs. The cars i mentioned earlier both had the same aero philosophy in common. They were trying to re-accelerate the the flow in the back of the tunnels which led to exponential low pressure under the car. If you look at the more successful designs from the first ground effect era you'll notice the rear of the car's bodywork simply ended, no lips, spoilers of kick ups. The smart boys WANTED the tunnels to stall over a certain speed because what good is 10,000 lbs of downforce at 180 plus mph in a straight line. Patrick head and Gordon Murray's phones must be ringing off the hook right about now. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 23, 2022 14:34:27 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 23, 2022 14:38:27 GMT -8
The anti dive only works under braking..... I have heard anti-dive works all the time. Helping to stabilize the car platform whenever weight is transferred forward, like when the aero causes porpoising. |
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 23, 2022 15:05:45 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 23, 2022 16:09:28 GMT -8
I realize you will not take my word on it but I assure you what I am saying is accurate. Anti-dive and anti-squat suspension geometry works to stabilize the car chassis no matter where/how the forces originate. The sudden weight shift of braking, acceleration, front/rear aero imbalance, etc are all countered by anti-dive/anti-squat geometry. |
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Post by Pistola on Feb 23, 2022 16:28:07 GMT -8
The anti dive only works under braking..... I have heard anti-dive works all the time. Helping to stabilize the car platform whenever weight is transferred froward, like when the aero causes porpoising. I would have thought the shocks should do much of that. Maybe the regulation changes regarding them have caused a few problems. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 23, 2022 17:27:15 GMT -8
I have heard anti-dive works all the time. Helping to stabilize the car platform whenever weight is transferred froward, like when the aero causes porpoising. I would have thought the shocks should do much of that. Maybe the regulation changes regarding them have caused a few problems. Yes, the Mercedes, and all the other cars, have lost their connected front to rear stabilizing systems because of the new regs. Shocks and springs can only do so much to stabilize the front and rear together if they are not interconnected. That's where the importance of the anti-dive geometry comes into play. |
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 23, 2022 17:31:38 GMT -8
I have heard anti-dive works all the time. Helping to stabilize the car platform whenever weight is transferred froward, like when the aero causes porpoising. I would have thought the shocks should do much of that. Maybe the regulation changes regarding them have caused a few problems. The teams were using heave springs between the push rod rockers to control dive, they were preferable to anti dive geometry because they were easily tuned, but they were banned. The shocks can only do so much because if they're tuned to cancel dive they'll be too stiff for everything else. |
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 23, 2022 17:35:35 GMT -8
I realize you will not take my word on it but I assure you what I am saying is accurate. Anti-dive and anti-squat suspension geometry works to stabilize the car chassis no matter where/how the forces originate. The sudden weight shift of braking, acceleration, front/rear aero imbalance, etc are all countered by anti-dive/anti-squat geometry. I'm not doubting you, put primarily anti dive/squat is induced by rotational torque. Personally I thing they should have been allowed to keep heave springs and dampers, FRICS on the other hand was only going to help the teams that could afford it . |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 23, 2022 17:36:23 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Feb 23, 2022 17:41:13 GMT -8
IMHO pretty much anything that is going on on this first day of testing is going to be irrelevant. The winners today were those who piled on the laps and built a database for tomorrow.
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 23, 2022 18:24:25 GMT -8
IMHO pretty much anything that is going on on this first day of testing is going to be irrelevant. The winners today were those who piled on the laps and built a database for tomorrow. Today's losers are the one's pulling all nighters programming the sims. ☕☕☕☕ |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Feb 23, 2022 19:05:36 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Feb 23, 2022 19:08:46 GMT -8
I have heard anti-dive works all the time. Helping to stabilize the car platform whenever weight is transferred froward, like when the aero causes porpoising. I would have thought the shocks should do much of that. Maybe the regulation changes regarding them have caused a few problems. Maybe not allowing torsion bars has changed the equations |
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Post by Boomer on Feb 23, 2022 19:33:07 GMT -8
I would have thought the shocks should do much of that. Maybe the regulation changes regarding them have caused a few problems. Maybe not allowing torsion bars has changed the equations I'm missing something here. No torsion bars-no heave springs-no dampers? How the heck are these cars sprung?  |
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