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Post by mikey on May 23, 2021 12:49:59 GMT -8
The only on track pass I noticed today was when Mick S. dove under Mazepin on the first lap. All other passes were in pits and strategy. Passing looks as if it gets more difficult every year at Monaco. Since Lewis was mired in 7th and couldn't do anything he will be lobbying for a track layout change. Maybe he can ride his scooter over and barge into the Stewards Room and talk to Massi about it |
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Post by mikey on May 23, 2021 12:53:22 GMT -8
Well that was a mistake, not checking the left side. There would be no penalty for switching that driveshaft. And you can bet every Team will be checking the opposite side from now on as well! |
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Post by boomer on May 23, 2021 14:43:58 GMT -8
^ So much concern with potential gearbox damage while virtually ignoring the output shafts/cv joints etc. misses the bigger picture doesn't it? Replace the entire mess from engine on back!  |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on May 23, 2021 14:45:37 GMT -8
^ So much concern with potential gearbox damage while virtually ignoring the output shafts/cv joints etc. misses the bigger picture doesn't it? The joint that failed was not involved in the wreck. It probably shattered after going over the big yellow kerb ... I doubt anyone would have inspected the LR outer CV after a RF hit. To say otherwise is simply 20/20 hindsight. |
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Post by boomer on May 23, 2021 15:00:28 GMT -8
The joint that failed was not involved in the wreck. It probably shattered after going over the big yellow kerb ... I doubt anyone would have inspected the LR outer CV after a RF hit. In my view, the wreck began when LeClerc cut the corner too close and broke the right-front suspension and steering. Everything after that was connected in time including the bounce over the kerb. The whole sequence should have been considered. IMHO |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on May 23, 2021 15:04:10 GMT -8
The joint that failed was not involved in the wreck. It probably shattered after going over the big yellow kerb ... I doubt anyone would have inspected the LR outer CV after a RF hit. In my view, the wreck began when LeClerc cut the corner too close and broke the right-front suspension and steering. Everything after that was connected in time including the bounce over the kerb. The whole sequence should have been considered. IMHO Like I said, hindsight is 20/20 and takes no special knowledge of any kind. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on May 23, 2021 15:05:11 GMT -8
In my view, the wreck began when LeClerc cut the corner too close and broke the right-front suspension and steering. Everything after that was connected in time including the bounce over the kerb. The whole sequence should have been considered. IMHO You should consider sending theses thoughts and a CV to Ferrari. Maybe they will hire you. |
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Post by mikey on May 23, 2021 15:36:18 GMT -8
The joint that failed was not involved in the wreck. It probably shattered after going over the big yellow kerb ... I doubt anyone would have inspected the LR outer CV after a RF hit. In my view, the wreck began when LeClerc cut the corner too close and broke the right-front suspension and steering. Everything after that was connected in time including the bounce over the kerb. The whole sequence should have been considered. IMHO That would have been a decent argument to have with the FIA for replacing parts had they thought of looking at the LR side of the car and found the damage, but since they didn't it's something to chalk as woulda, coulda, shoulda and next time they WILL look at everything. For example the way he bounced the front wing off the pavement he could have damaged some of the vanes and wings too. |
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Post by jmjgt on May 23, 2021 15:47:34 GMT -8
^^ Ferrari screwed the pooch as the pilots like Chuck Yeager used to say. But the term goes back much further than him. And yet they sill got a 2nd place. As did the Mercs. The really screwed the pooch. As did sir lulu. Sir lulu blew the undercut on Gasley. Then he let Vettel make the overcut work. I give it at least a 8 out of 10. No yellow flags. No red flags. So no game of chance played out where someone moves way up or down because of a crash or whatever. Near as I could tell Lance was the only guy to rub a barrier. Passing is over rated. Actually the overcut worked pretty much for everyone. That was the key that Merc did not realize, since Hamilton was the first to pass. Gassly, Vettel, Perez, Stroll (and likely others I didn't notice) all made up places by the overcut. It was not that Hamilton blew the undercut; it did not work for anyone today. That is one disadvantage of pitting first and I would not have expected Merc to have made that mistake given that Hamilton was still fairly happy with his tires. As much as i'd love to lay into Sir Lulu he got stitched up by his team. Ever team knows how Monaco works, swan around for the part of the race then light the fuse going into the (one) stop. Gasly held Lewis up to bait Merc into pulling the trigger first, Pierre was running at least a second and a half off his ultimate pace, so was seb. When Ham started to close the gap AT and Aston knew a Merc stop was coming and set their drivers loose, Merc didn't anticipate they could lap fast enough to make up for Lulu's fresher tires after his stop, they got caught playing two dimensional chess. |
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Post by jmjgt on May 23, 2021 15:56:39 GMT -8
The failure is on the driveshaft into the hub on the left hand side. This failure was not a result of the RF contact. It may be from running over the yellow kerb after that contact, but it's on the hub end of the driveshaft, not the inner. Still inept preparation. I'd agree and add it was probably all hands on board checking the gear box and they simply miss a full check on the other side. There is a provision in the regs that a part CAN be changed (like for like) if the part's reliability can be proven suspect, but ya actually gotta check the part first. This could be a budget cut consequence on personnel rearing it's head. |
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Post by jfme on May 23, 2021 16:38:23 GMT -8
What I really want to know is how the Mercedes mechanics managed to feck a stupid wheel nut
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Post by snuffmoviestar on May 23, 2021 16:41:18 GMT -8
Watching a replay of the Bottas debacle, I noticed the Merc Team dropped the jack and then never tried re-lifting the car in an attempt to remove the front right. Seemed very strange seeing a guy pulling at the tyre with the car on the ground. How the hell would it come off anyway? I thought only the stupid Italians fucked up that bad.  |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on May 23, 2021 16:50:27 GMT -8
It is quite possible that even if the Ferrari mechanics had checked the left rear hub the damage might have been apparent. The parts may have needed to be under load to see/feel the failure.
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Post by Pistola on May 23, 2021 16:53:31 GMT -8
Watching a replay of the Bottas debacle, I noticed the Merc Team dropped the jack and then never tried re-lifting the car in an attempt to remove the front right. Seemed very strange seeing a guy pulling at the tyre with the car on the ground. How the hell would it come off anyway? I thought only the stupid Italians fucked up that bad. Looked more like just the rear jack was dropped, the front guy never pulled his jack from under the wing. |
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Post by jmjgt on May 23, 2021 17:34:39 GMT -8
Watching a replay of the Bottas debacle, I noticed the Merc Team dropped the jack and then never tried re-lifting the car in an attempt to remove the front right. Seemed very strange seeing a guy pulling at the tyre with the car on the ground. How the hell would it come off anyway? I thought only the stupid Italians fucked up that bad. Looked more like just the rear jack was dropped, the front guy never pulled his jack from under the wing. That's what i saw, the front never dropped, the car shook when the rear hit the ground. Didn't Merc have trouble with their hubs transferring a lot of heat from the brakes, jamming the nuts a while back? It looked to me like the gun sheared the splines off the nut so it never turned from the beginning. Here's some reference. |
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Post by boomer on May 23, 2021 20:13:53 GMT -8
In my view, the wreck began when LeClerc cut the corner too close and broke the right-front suspension and steering. Everything after that was connected in time including the bounce over the kerb. The whole sequence should have been considered. IMHO You should consider sending theses thoughts and a CV to Ferrari. Maybe they will hire you. Maybe I should send them a CV Joint  so they will have a spare next time?  |
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Post by olderguysrule on May 24, 2021 3:34:23 GMT -8
Looked more like just the rear jack was dropped, the front guy never pulled his jack from under the wing. That's what i saw, the front never dropped, the car shook when the rear hit the ground. Didn't Merc have trouble with their hubs transferring a lot of heat from the brakes, jamming the nuts a while back? It looked to me like the gun sheared the splines off the nut so it never turned from the beginning. Here's some reference. below is a pic of the merc wheel nuts. The two ears on the nut is what got sheared off. Once they were gone it was over. The story says the wheel is still on the car and won't be removed until it gets back to the factory. www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-wheel-nut-still-stuck-mercedes/6514622/ |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on May 24, 2021 4:22:54 GMT -8
That's what i saw, the front never dropped, the car shook when the rear hit the ground. Didn't Merc have trouble with their hubs transferring a lot of heat from the brakes, jamming the nuts a while back? It looked to me like the gun sheared the splines off the nut so it never turned from the beginning. Here's some reference. below is a pic of the merc wheel nuts. The two ears on the nut is what got sheared off. Once they were gone it was over. The story says the wheel is still on the car and won't be removed until it gets back to the factory. www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-wheel-nut-still-stuck-mercedes/6514622/I think the two ears are actually on the hub, the smaller tines on the outer edge are the splines that the socket grabs, those are what sheared off. My guess is the gun was started prematurely and when the socket hit the splines they broke off.
If you look closely at the full size photo, you can see where the two ears have a slight clearance between them and the hub and they retract, indicating to me that they are part of a fail-safe nut retention system that won't allow the nut to come completely off even if it does come loose.
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Post by pushtopass on May 24, 2021 4:44:57 GMT -8
I think the two ears are actually on the hub, the smaller tines on the outer edge are the splines that the socket grabs, those are what sheared off. My guess is the gun was started prematurely and when the socket hit the splines they broke off.
If you look closely at the full size photo, you can see where the two ears have a slight clearance between them and the hub and they retract, indicating to me that they are part of a fail-safe nut retention system that won't allow the nut to come completely off even if it does come loose.
I agree and think that is what the guy in the wheel nut video meant when he said he had to keep the gun on the wheel until it was off so that it would clear that mechanism. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on May 24, 2021 4:47:59 GMT -8
^ Yes, IIRC the nuts stay with the wheels in F1, they do not come off with the socket.
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