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Post by mmi16 on Jun 18, 2018 8:39:12 GMT -8
Also like Audi Sport in 2000-02, Bentley in '03, Audi again in '06, and Porsche in 70-71, 76-77, and 81-86. Not those guy's fault that their competition bailed on them, or often in the case of Porsche (Ferrari, Renault and Lancia) self-immolated. Le Mans though the years has typically been 1-2 factory teams cleaning up and dominating. But to win Le Mans you have to beat Le Mans itself and what it can throw at you. No LM is ever won easily because there's so many variables. The late '80s Group C and late '90s GT1 days are the exception to the rule, as was the Audi/Porsche/Toyota period. Good when they come, but relatively rare in reality. But even if you're the lone factory effort, it can be a double edged sword. You win, people will likely ask who'd you beat or say that they should've won with their driver and team talent and budgets. If they lose, they become the subject of joke and ridicule and have to explain why they lost with their driver and team talent and budget. One can never underestimate the need for the winner to beat the track itself.
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Post by chernaudi on Jun 18, 2018 11:20:54 GMT -8
LMP2 winner #26 G-Drive and #28 TDS have been DQ'd for an illegal refueling restrictor.
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Post by olderguysrule on Jun 18, 2018 11:50:09 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 18, 2018 12:27:59 GMT -8
Oops.
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Post by chernaudi on Jun 18, 2018 12:45:33 GMT -8
The ACO have a list of things that they'll allow teams to do the refueling rig, and what G-Drive and TDS did wasn't on the list of legal modifications,
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Post by montybriscoe on Jun 18, 2018 14:28:49 GMT -8
So JPM reached podium?
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Post by Buck on Jun 18, 2018 14:36:14 GMT -8
One of the silliest penalties ever...
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Post by gturner38 on Jun 18, 2018 14:54:24 GMT -8
One of the silliest penalties ever...
At least they just docked them laps. They could have disqualified the car and had it been a bronze driver in GTE Am or silver in LMP2, that's probably what they would have done. How Ford missed it by 44 minutes is beyond me.
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Post by gturner38 on Jun 18, 2018 15:05:31 GMT -8
Congrats to the BoP Committee for determining the outcome of the race! BoP and EoT didn't determine the outcome of the race. Team resources did. EoT is supposed to ensure that powertrain technologies provide equal potential. It's not supposed to eliminate advantages created by superior engineering and development. Do we honestly think that given a clean sheet of paper and their current budgets, Rebellion, ByKolles, Ginetta, or BR1 would build something that's within 5 seconds of Toyota at Le Mans? There was no EoT in LMP900 when everyone ran non-hybrid petrol engines. Audi/Bentley beat the top opposition car gaps of 24, 23, 16, 17 and 18 laps for the first 5 years. It didn't get close until Audi was using an outdated car that was further hampered by penalties for being outside the latest regulation. For brand new cars built by small companies facing a OEM in year 7 of their LMP1 project, there was never going to be a real chance of them being successful unless EoT was set to give them a huge advantage.
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Post by loudpedal on Jun 18, 2018 17:17:42 GMT -8
One of the silliest penalties ever...
At least they just docked them laps. They could have disqualified the car and had it been a bronze driver in GTE Am or silver in LMP2, that's probably what they would have done. How Ford missed it by 44 minutes is beyond me. There are few regulations more clear than minimum/maximum drive time. The silly part is that a solid, professional team would make such a basic mistake.
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Post by Buck on Jun 18, 2018 17:27:09 GMT -8
At least they just docked them laps. They could have disqualified the car and had it been a bronze driver in GTE Am or silver in LMP2, that's probably what they would have done. How Ford missed it by 44 minutes is beyond me. There are few regulations more clear than minimum/maximum drive time. The silly part is that a solid, professional team would make such a basic mistake. How did AJ and Dan do it with just two drivers?
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Post by loudpedal on Jun 18, 2018 17:39:27 GMT -8
How did AJ and Dan do it with just two drivers? Things were just a little different 50 years ago.
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Post by olderguysrule on Jun 18, 2018 18:44:26 GMT -8
How did AJ and Dan do it with just two drivers? Things were just a little different 50 years ago. back in the 50ies or early 60ies there was a brit, driving his small, slow sportscar at le mans. he did the whole 24 hours himself.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 18, 2018 19:00:26 GMT -8
At least they just docked them laps. They could have disqualified the car and had it been a bronze driver in GTE Am or silver in LMP2, that's probably what they would have done. How Ford missed it by 44 minutes is beyond me. There are few regulations more clear than minimum/maximum drive time. The silly part is that a solid, professional team would make such a basic mistake. How much driving time is required to be within the regulations?
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Post by gturner38 on Jun 18, 2018 22:32:38 GMT -8
There are few regulations more clear than minimum/maximum drive time. The silly part is that a solid, professional team would make such a basic mistake. How much driving time is required to be within the regulations? Minimum of 6 hours for each driver and no driver doing more than 4 hours in a rolling 6 hour window. Kanaan drove for 5:16 so was almost a full stint short.
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Post by gturner38 on Jun 18, 2018 22:42:45 GMT -8
There are few regulations more clear than minimum/maximum drive time. The silly part is that a solid, professional team would make such a basic mistake. How did AJ and Dan do it with just two drivers? Much less downforce, half as many turns per lap, and driving at 85% for much of the race to nurse the car.
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Post by chernaudi on Jun 19, 2018 7:20:15 GMT -8
Plus under the current drive time regs, if it's two drivers to the car and those two drivers do 12 hours, that meets the letter of the regs. Not easy to do today with how physical the cars are now to drive.
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Post by speedstew on Jun 19, 2018 8:38:56 GMT -8
I watched all 25 hours. Of course it took me 60 hours to do it. Hey, it'endurance racing g. They can't all have hotly contested fi ishes. I was still biting my nails til the end to be sure Toyota won. Well deserved.
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