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Post by pushtopass on Aug 3, 2020 9:53:22 GMT -8
It is likely due to differences in set up as well. Is the car understeering? What are their camber settings? Kimi was complaining about his rears, not the fronts, for instance.
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Post by Pistola on Aug 3, 2020 10:16:24 GMT -8
After the usual complaints about the speed of the Mercedes safety car I'm pretty sure next years car won't be an Aston Martin.  |
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Post by Pistola on Aug 3, 2020 10:48:36 GMT -8
Does anyone think that it's a coincidence that the 4 fastest cars (maybe except Sainz) had tire issues and the rest did not? Did the Bulls and Ferrari's have tire problems? To me it looked like it depended on how how hard the cars were on their tires not how fast they were. Ricci bbs a hard time getting his tires up to temps but once he did he drove the hell out of them right up to the last laps, same with Gasly. Stroll on the other hand wasn't able to keep up his early pace but his tires didn't blister to bits like the Merc's and McLaren's tires did. RoGro's mediums held up nicely too. I think the cars that went for a high downforce setup simply killed their tires, the teams that trimmed the load off a bit were able to keep theirs alive. Off course the cars that don't make much downforce never have anything to worry about to behind with. I'm not into putting excessive blame on Pirelli. At the teams request these are the same tires as used all last year a unanimous request made after testing the Pirelli 2020's. I don't think there were any problems last year at Silverstone so I put some of this on the choice not to take the tire update for this 2020 designs. The Merc is lights out above what they had last year and the fact they punished a tire designed in 2018 should be no surprise. As to RP it is after all last year's Mercedes so it shouldn't have a problem.  |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 3, 2020 15:24:14 GMT -8
After the usual complaints about the speed of the Mercedes safety car I'm pretty sure next years car won't be an Aston Martin. The Safety Car's job is not to set fast laps! |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 3, 2020 15:29:04 GMT -8
Did the Bulls and Ferrari's have tire problems? To me it looked like it depended on how how hard the cars were on their tires not how fast they were. Ricci bbs a hard time getting his tires up to temps but once he did he drove the hell out of them right up to the last laps, same with Gasly. Stroll on the other hand wasn't able to keep up his early pace but his tires didn't blister to bits like the Merc's and McLaren's tires did. RoGro's mediums held up nicely too. I think the cars that went for a high downforce setup simply killed their tires, the teams that trimmed the load off a bit were able to keep theirs alive. Off course the cars that don't make much downforce never have anything to worry about to behind with. I'm not into putting excessive blame on Pirelli. At the teams request these are the same tires as used all last year a unanimous request made after testing the Pirelli 2020's. I don't think there were any problems last year at Silverstone so I put some of this on the choice not to take the tire update for this 2020 designs. The Merc is lights out above what they had last year and the fact they punished a tire designed in 2018 should be no surprise. As to RP it is after all last year's Mercedes so it shouldn't have a problem. Biggest part of the problem was the early Safety Car periods - teams all pitted earlier for their SINGLE stop than they had planned, thus that set of tires were being asked to go further than planned. Manufacturers can build tires that are easily double and triple stinted for Sports Cars which are nearly as fast, have as much or more downforce and weigh 2 to 3 times the weight of a F1 car. The technology exists to build tires that last - the FIA want high degradation tires for 'the show'. |
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Post by Pistola on Aug 3, 2020 15:34:09 GMT -8
After the usual complaints about the speed of the Mercedes safety car I'm pretty sure next years car won't be an Aston Martin. The Safety Car's job is not to set fast laps! Should I have written Racing Point instead of Aston?  |
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Post by overboost on Aug 3, 2020 17:05:07 GMT -8
The real reason for Hamilton's last lap tire failure has been found:  |
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Post by jmjgt on Aug 3, 2020 17:13:25 GMT -8
Did the Bulls and Ferrari's have tire problems? To me it looked like it depended on how how hard the cars were on their tires not how fast they were. Ricci bbs a hard time getting his tires up to temps but once he did he drove the hell out of them right up to the last laps, same with Gasly. Stroll on the other hand wasn't able to keep up his early pace but his tires didn't blister to bits like the Merc's and McLaren's tires did. RoGro's mediums held up nicely too. I think the cars that went for a high downforce setup simply killed their tires, the teams that trimmed the load off a bit were able to keep theirs alive. Off course the cars that don't make much downforce never have anything to worry about to behind with. I'm not into putting excessive blame on Pirelli. At the teams request these are the same tires as used all last year a unanimous request made after testing the Pirelli 2020's. I don't think there were any problems last year at Silverstone so I put some of this on the choice not to take the tire update for this 2020 designs. The Merc is lights out above what they had last year and the fact they punished a tire designed in 2018 should be no surprise. As to RP it is after all last year's Mercedes so it shouldn't have a problem. Last years Merc never had to race mid pack, where all weakness is laid bare. |
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Post by Pistola on Aug 3, 2020 20:13:01 GMT -8
I'm not into putting excessive blame on Pirelli. At the teams request these are the same tires as used all last year a unanimous request made after testing the Pirelli 2020's. I don't think there were any problems last year at Silverstone so I put some of this on the choice not to take the tire update for this 2020 designs. The Merc is lights out above what they had last year and the fact they punished a tire designed in 2018 should be no surprise. As to RP it is after all last year's Mercedes so it shouldn't have a problem. Last years Merc never had to race mid pack, where all weakness is laid bare. I'm not sure whether the weakness was in front of or behind the wheel. |
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Post by Pistola on Aug 3, 2020 20:51:22 GMT -8
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Aug 4, 2020 9:55:44 GMT -8
Long final stint and 'biggest forces ever seen on tyres' led to failures in British GP, say PirelliAfter the British Grand Prix in which Lewis Hamilton, Valtteri Bottas and Carlos Sainz suffered tyre failures in the final two laps, Pirelli announced they had launched an immediate investigation as to the cause - and today they reported the findings of their initial analysis. The front left on Bottas's Mercedes was the first to go on the penultimate lap, forcing him to pit and dropping him from second down to 11th at the flag. Sainz suffered a similar fate, slipping from 4th to 13th, while Hamilton was able to limp to the finish line to win, depite his front left also having deflated on the final lap. On Tuesday, Pirelli said the failures were the result of an unusually long stint on one set of tyres, coupled with the increased speed of the 2020 F1 cars, meaning the tyres were subject to the "biggest forces ever seen". In a statement, the Italian company said: "The key reason is down to a set of individual race circumstances that led to an extremely long use of the second set of tyres. "The second safety car period prompted nearly all the teams to anticipate their planned pit stop and so carry out a particularly long final stint: around 40 laps, which is more than three-quarters the total race length on one of the most demanding tracks of the calendar. "Combined with the notably increased pace of the 2020 Formula 1 cars (pole position was 1.2 seconds faster compared to 2019) this made the final laps of the British Grand Prix especially tough, as a consequence of the biggest forces ever seen on tyres generated by the fastest Formula 1 cars in history. "The overall result was the most challenging operating conditions for tyres. These led to the front-left tyre (which is well-known for working hardest at Silverstone) being placed under maximum stress after a very high number of laps, with the resulting high wear meaning that it was less protected from the extreme forces in play." Despite the issues in Sunday's race, the tyre allocation for all teams will move one step softer for this weekend's race, the 70th Anniversary Grand Prix, which is also being held at Silverstone. Pirelli have confirmed that the change to the softer compounds will go ahead as planned, but said "usage prescription will be reviewed" in terms of the tyre pressures to be used. "For the second race at Silverstone this weekend, Pirelli confirms the nominated compounds: C2, C3, and C4, being one step softer than those seen at the last GP," the statement added. "Also the usage prescription will be reviewed, increasing the minimum tyre pressures to reduce the stress on the construction." www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.long-final-stint-and-biggest-forces-ever-seen-on-tyres-led-to-failures-in.6v9aY8QUAp72Bt5AVmg1hE.html
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 4, 2020 14:33:25 GMT -8
Long final stint and 'biggest forces ever seen on tyres' led to failures in British GP, say PirelliAfter the British Grand Prix in which Lewis Hamilton, Valtteri Bottas and Carlos Sainz suffered tyre failures in the final two laps, Pirelli announced they had launched an immediate investigation as to the cause - and today they reported the findings of their initial analysis. The front left on Bottas's Mercedes was the first to go on the penultimate lap, forcing him to pit and dropping him from second down to 11th at the flag. Sainz suffered a similar fate, slipping from 4th to 13th, while Hamilton was able to limp to the finish line to win, depite his front left also having deflated on the final lap. On Tuesday, Pirelli said the failures were the result of an unusually long stint on one set of tyres, coupled with the increased speed of the 2020 F1 cars, meaning the tyres were subject to the "biggest forces ever seen". In a statement, the Italian company said: "The key reason is down to a set of individual race circumstances that led to an extremely long use of the second set of tyres. "The second safety car period prompted nearly all the teams to anticipate their planned pit stop and so carry out a particularly long final stint: around 40 laps, which is more than three-quarters the total race length on one of the most demanding tracks of the calendar. "Combined with the notably increased pace of the 2020 Formula 1 cars (pole position was 1.2 seconds faster compared to 2019) this made the final laps of the British Grand Prix especially tough, as a consequence of the biggest forces ever seen on tyres generated by the fastest Formula 1 cars in history. "The overall result was the most challenging operating conditions for tyres. These led to the front-left tyre (which is well-known for working hardest at Silverstone) being placed under maximum stress after a very high number of laps, with the resulting high wear meaning that it was less protected from the extreme forces in play." Despite the issues in Sunday's race, the tyre allocation for all teams will move one step softer for this weekend's race, the 70th Anniversary Grand Prix, which is also being held at Silverstone. Pirelli have confirmed that the change to the softer compounds will go ahead as planned, but said "usage prescription will be reviewed" in terms of the tyre pressures to be used. "For the second race at Silverstone this weekend, Pirelli confirms the nominated compounds: C2, C3, and C4, being one step softer than those seen at the last GP," the statement added. "Also the usage prescription will be reviewed, increasing the minimum tyre pressures to reduce the stress on the construction." www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.long-final-stint-and-biggest-forces-ever-seen-on-tyres-led-to-failures-in.6v9aY8QUAp72Bt5AVmg1hE.html Excuses, Excuses, Excuses! :( |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Aug 4, 2020 15:27:24 GMT -8
Long final stint and 'biggest forces ever seen on tyres' led to failures in British GP, say PirelliAfter the British Grand Prix in which Lewis Hamilton, Valtteri Bottas and Carlos Sainz suffered tyre failures in the final two laps, Pirelli announced they had launched an immediate investigation as to the cause - and today they reported the findings of their initial analysis. The front left on Bottas's Mercedes was the first to go on the penultimate lap, forcing him to pit and dropping him from second down to 11th at the flag. Sainz suffered a similar fate, slipping from 4th to 13th, while Hamilton was able to limp to the finish line to win, depite his front left also having deflated on the final lap. On Tuesday, Pirelli said the failures were the result of an unusually long stint on one set of tyres, coupled with the increased speed of the 2020 F1 cars, meaning the tyres were subject to the "biggest forces ever seen". In a statement, the Italian company said: "The key reason is down to a set of individual race circumstances that led to an extremely long use of the second set of tyres. "The second safety car period prompted nearly all the teams to anticipate their planned pit stop and so carry out a particularly long final stint: around 40 laps, which is more than three-quarters the total race length on one of the most demanding tracks of the calendar. "Combined with the notably increased pace of the 2020 Formula 1 cars (pole position was 1.2 seconds faster compared to 2019) this made the final laps of the British Grand Prix especially tough, as a consequence of the biggest forces ever seen on tyres generated by the fastest Formula 1 cars in history. "The overall result was the most challenging operating conditions for tyres. These led to the front-left tyre (which is well-known for working hardest at Silverstone) being placed under maximum stress after a very high number of laps, with the resulting high wear meaning that it was less protected from the extreme forces in play." Despite the issues in Sunday's race, the tyre allocation for all teams will move one step softer for this weekend's race, the 70th Anniversary Grand Prix, which is also being held at Silverstone. Pirelli have confirmed that the change to the softer compounds will go ahead as planned, but said "usage prescription will be reviewed" in terms of the tyre pressures to be used. "For the second race at Silverstone this weekend, Pirelli confirms the nominated compounds: C2, C3, and C4, being one step softer than those seen at the last GP," the statement added. "Also the usage prescription will be reviewed, increasing the minimum tyre pressures to reduce the stress on the construction." www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.long-final-stint-and-biggest-forces-ever-seen-on-tyres-led-to-failures-in.6v9aY8QUAp72Bt5AVmg1hE.html Excuses, Excuses, Excuses! :( So what's the reason tyres gave way? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 4, 2020 15:35:02 GMT -8
So what's the reason tyres gave way? Because they are FIA mandated pieces of crap? |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Aug 4, 2020 15:41:41 GMT -8
So what's the reason tyres gave way? Because they are FIA mandated pieces of crap? Round, black and the same for everybody. They didn't all have issues. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 4, 2020 16:54:20 GMT -8
Because they are FIA mandated pieces of crap? Round, black and the same for everybody. They didn't all have issues. I don’t think we know that for sure. If the race had lasted a few laps longer maybe all the cars would have experienced tire failure. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Aug 4, 2020 17:38:10 GMT -8
Round, black and the same for everybody. They didn't all have issues. I don’t think we know that for sure. If the race had lasted a few laps longer maybe all the cars would have experienced tire failure. Bah, someone would always finish the scheduled race distance in the least amount of time. They can change tyres as much as their supply allows. If the Teams had listened to Pirelli and accepted the tyres designed for 2020 instead of demanding to continue using 2019 tyres, perhaps this wouldn't be an issue?  |
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Post by jmjgt on Aug 4, 2020 17:38:17 GMT -8
Round, black and the same for everybody. They didn't all have issues. I don’t think we know that for sure. If the race had lasted a few laps longer maybe all the cars would have experienced tire failure. The Mercs had visibly blistered shoulders LONG before they failed, same with Sainz's car. The Ferarris, Renaults, Stroll's pink Merc and Gasly's Alpha thing had no blisters at the end and could have probably run ten more laps.One factor that mat have played a part is described here. |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 4, 2020 18:36:10 GMT -8
I don’t think we know that for sure. If the race had lasted a few laps longer maybe all the cars would have experienced tire failure. The Mercs had visibly blistered shoulders LONG before they failed, same with Sainz's car. The Ferarris, Renaults, Stroll's pink Merc and Gasly's Alpha thing had no blisters at the end and could have probably run ten more laps.One factor that mat have played a part is described here. Set up controls how much wear the tires experience - set up is in the hands of the teams. Problem seems to be if you put on a set up to go faster, that set up also wears the tires more. Pay your money and take your choice. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 5, 2020 4:52:40 GMT -8
I don’t think we know that for sure. If the race had lasted a few laps longer maybe all the cars would have experienced tire failure. Bah, someone would always finish the scheduled race distance in the least amount of time. They can change tyres as much as their supply allows. If the Teams had listened to Pirelli and accepted the tyres designed for 2020 instead of demanding to continue using 2019 tyres, perhaps this wouldn't be an issue? This response doesn’t have anything to do with your initial post. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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