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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 9:04:58 GMT -8
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 9:50:20 GMT -8
Mat Oxley: The MotoGP court of appeal has published the findings of its first look at the appeal re the imposition of Marc Marquez's long-lap penalty. And the decision is... to make no decision. Yet
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 10:03:57 GMT -8
David Emmett The MotoGP Court of Appeal have granted a stay of Marc Marquez' Double Long Lap Penalty for his crash with Miguel Oliveira in Portimão.
It's interesting. Basically, stay was granted because Honda didn't appeal the original sanction for Termas, so penalty was final say HRC. When Stewards found out Marquez would miss Argentina, they changed the terms of the penalty. HRC say you can't do that, as penalty was final.
Court of Appeal follows this reasoning. Says it's important the full case is decided by the court. So issued a stay. Court of Appeal has issued the stay, and the full case will be decided in a separate hearing by the Court of Appeal. There they will decide if Stewards were allowed to change the Notification of Sanction (letter imposing penalty). No date for that yet. Addendum: this is a very sound and sensible legal approach to the case. They are saying how this case is finally decided is really important. So the Stewards can't impose a penalty before the case is heard, hence the delay.
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 10:22:30 GMT -8
Oliveira declared fit for Americas GP The Portuguese rider will be back in action at COTA having been forced out of Round 2
Having had to sit out Round 2 of the 2023 World Championship following an injury picked up during the opening weekend in Portimao, Miguel Oliveira returns to action at the Red Bull Grand Prix of the Americas. The CryptoDATA RNF MotoGP™ Team rider passed his medical test at the Circuit of the Americas on Thursday and will compete throughout the weekend’s action.
The Portuguese rider damaged a tendon in his right leg following a collision with Repsol Honda’s Marc Marquez early on in his home GP race, and was forced to sit out the Argentina GP as a result. However, having travelled to Austin in the hope he could participate, Oliveira received the good news on Thursday morning after a visit to the doctor’s office. Welcome back Miguel and we're looking forward to seeing you and your RS-GP contend for honours.
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 10:24:07 GMT -8
Court of Appeal grants stay of execution in Marquez case A final decision on the appeal will be rendered in due course
On 26 March 2023, in the MotoGP™ Race of the Grande Premio Tissot de Portugal, the FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty on Mr Marc Marquez, Rider #93. On 28 March 2023, the same FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel notified the Application of the Sanction imposed on the rider to clarify the scope of its applicability.
Following the appeal from the rider and the HRC - Repsol Honda Team against the Application of the Sanction, the FIM Appeal Stewards decided to refer the case to the MotoGP Court of Appeal on 29 March 2023.
As a result, the MotoGP Court of Appeal ruled on the request to stay the execution of the Application of the Sanction submitted by the Appellants.
A decision granting the stay of execution of the Application of the Sanction was rendered on 12 April 2023 and notified the same day to the Appellants. A final decision on the appeal will be rendered in due course.
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 10:28:48 GMT -8
DECISION OF THE MOTOGP COURT OF APPEAL on the stay of execution Sitting in the following composition: Mr Sakari VUORENSOLA (Chairman) Mr Robert HOFSTETTER Mr Marek MALECKI in the case: Championship: 2023 FIM Grand Prix World Championship - MotoGP Event: First round of the 2023 season of the FIM Grand Prix World Championship – MotoGP™, held on 24 - 26 March 2023 in Portugal (MotoGP™ Race of the Grande Premio Tissot de Portugal) Appellants: Mr Marc Marquez, rider #93 of the MotoGP™ class, and his team HRC - Repsol Honda Team Case concerns: Appeal before the FIM Appeal Stewards against the Notice of Application of the Sanction issued by the FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel on 28 March 2023 in connection with the previous Notification of Sanction issued by the same FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel on 26 March 2023 The Notice of Application of the Sanction clarified the application of the Notification of Sanction which imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty on Mr Marc Marquez The appeal was referred by the FIM Appeal Stewards on 29 March 2023 to the MotoGP Court of Appeal pursuant to Article 3.3.3.2 of the FIM Grand Prix World Championship Regulations
JURISDICTION Pursuant to Article 3.3.5.3 of the FIM Grand Prix World Championship Regulations (hereinafter referred to as “the Regulations”; all references to Articles in this Decision are references to the Regulations unless otherwise indicated), the MotoGP Court of Appeal adjudicates upon request of the FIM Appeal Stewards. 2. This case was referred to the MotoGP Court of Appeal on 29 March 2023 by decision of the FIM Appeal Stewards in accordance with Article 3.3.3.2. 3. On 29 March 2023, by virtue of Article 3.3.5.1, the FIM Legal Director appointed the judges constituting the MotoGP Court of Appeal for this case. No objections were raised with regard to the composition of the MotoGP Court of Appeal (hereinafter also referred to as “the Court”) pursuant to Article 3.3.5.2.
II. FACTUAL BACKGROUND On 26 March 2023, the FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel decided to impose a Double Long Lap Penalty (hereinafter also referred to as “the Original Sanction”) on Mr Marc Marquez, rider # 93 (hereinafter also referred to as “the Rider”) for the infringement of Article 1.21.2 (irresponsible riding causing danger). 5. On the same date, the Original Sanction was notified to the Rider at 15:13 directly at the event venue by the Notification of sanction (hereinafter “the Notification of Sanction”). The wording of the Notification of Sanction indicated that the Original Sanction was to be executed at the next MotoGP Race, i.e. the “Gran Premio Michelin® de la República Argentina” (hereinafter referred to as “the MotoGP race in Argentina”). 6. The Rider did not lodge an appeal against the Original Sanction. 7. On 26 March 2023, the Rider underwent surgery and ultimately decided not to participate and compete in the MotoGP Race in Argentina. 8. On 28 March 2023, the same FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel issued a notification called “Application of the sanction imposed on Marc Marquez, Rider #93, by the FIM Stewards Panel” (hereinafter referred to as “the Application of the Sanction”). 9. The wording of the Application of the Sanction pronounced on 28 March by the FIM MotoGPTM Stewards Panel following its above-mentioned decision of 26 March 2023, read as follows: “The FIM MotoGPTM Stewards Panel hereby clarifies its decision as regards applicability. Considering the injury and non-participation of Marc Marquez, Rider #93, at the GRAN PREMIO MICHELIN® DE LA REPÚBLICA DE ARGENTINA, and with a view to comply with the intention underlying the decision taken by the FIM MotoGPTM Stewards Panel, the Double Long Lap Penalty shall be served by the Rider at the next MotoGPTM Race in which he will be able to participate.” 10.On 29 March 2023 the Rider and his team (HRC - Repsol Honda Team) (hereinafter referred to as “the Appellants”) filed an appeal against the Application of the Sanction before the FIM Appeal Stewards and submitted a statement of appeal along with four (4) Annexes (hereinafter altogether referred to as “the Statement of Appeal”). 11.In the Statement of Appeal, the Appellants requested, in addition to the appeal on the merits of the case, a provisional stay of the execution of the Application of the Sanction until a final and definitive decision on the appeal is issued. 12.The FIM Appeal Stewards, on the same day (i.e. 29 March 2023), considering the circumstances of the case and the legal issues raised in the Statement of Appeal, decided, pursuant to Article 3.3.3.2, to refer the case to the MotoGP Court of Appeal to rule on the case. 13.The Court issued its Procedural Order Nº 1 on 4 April 2023 and requested, inter alia, the Appellants to submit justifications for the request for the stay of execution by 6 April 2023. The Appellants submitted such justifications within the deadline prescribed
IV. ASSESSMENTS BY THE COURT .This Court considers that it may, in accordance with Article 3.4.5, decide by injunction on the provisional stay of the execution of the Application of the Sanction, if it is established that such stay is justified, prima facie, in fact and in law (fumus boni juris) and that the interests of the Rider and those of the Team, in order to avoid irreparable harm, outweighs the interest of maintaining the statu quo. Reasonable chance of success (prima facie) 20.As regards the condition relating to the establishment of a prima facie case, the Court is satisfied if at least one of the justifications relied on by the Appellants in support of the claims on the merits of the case does not appear, prime facie, unfounded. This is the case, inter alia, where one of the justifications reveals the existence of complex legal issues for which a solution is not immediately obvious. 21.In the present case, the Court notes that already the FIM Appeal Stewards, in their decision dated 29 March 2023, have considered the circumstances of the case as well as the legal issues raised by the Appellants as valid reasons justifying their decision to refer the case to the MotoGP Court of Appeal. This is an indication revealing the complexity of the legal issues for which no immediate and obvious solution was available for the resolution of the case at hand. 22.To establish the existence of a prima facie chance of success, the Appellants rely on the fact that the Original Sanction was not appealed and, therefore, became final (res judicata). Thereafter, the Original Sanction shall no longer be challenged by the Rider nor revised or modified by the FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel. Therefore, the “clarification” of the Original Sanction (i.e. the Application of the Sanction) infringes the principle of legal certainty because it modifies the Original Sanction. 23.In the light of the foregoing considerations, it must be concluded that the requirement that a prima facie case be established has been satisfied in this case.
Irreparable harm 24.As regards the condition relating to the establishment of the interests of the Appellants to avoid irreparable harm, the Court considers that it is for the Appellants to prove that they cannot wait for the outcome of the main proceedings without suffering damage of serious and irreparable nature. To establish the existence of serious and irreparable damage, it is not necessary for the occurrence of the damage to be demonstrated with absolute certainty. It is sufficient that it be foreseeable with a sufficient degree of probability. 25.In the present case the Court notes the Appellants’ assertion that the consequence of completing the Double Long Lap Penalty in the next MotoGP Race would impact the Rider’s ability, for example, to outrun other riders and thus his position in the race standings. Such consequences cannot be undone if the Court subsequently rules on the merits of the case in favour of the Appellants. 26.Therefore, it must be concluded that the requirement that a serious and irreparable harm be established has been satisfied in the present case. Balance of interests 27.As regards the weighing up of the interests and risks attached to each of the possible solutions, the Court considers that this involves examining whether the interests of the Appellants in the stay of execution of the Application of the Sanction outweighs the interest of maintaining the statu quo. 28.In the present case, the Court notes that should it, later in the main proceedings on the merits of the case, decide to reject the appeal of the Appellants, it still has an option to order the Rider to serve the Double Long Lap Penalty in any of the forthcoming MotoGP Races throughout the 2023 season. 29.Furthermore, the Court is also aware of the fact that Article 1.19.2 foresees an alternative solution for cases where a Long Lap Penalty cannot be carried out before the end of the race or where the race is interrupted prior to the completion of the Long Lap Penalty. In such cases, an equivalent time penalty will be inflicted to the rider concerned. The Court could use this provision of the Regulations by analogy and, thereby, provide an alternative solution for this case. 30.In those circumstances, it must be concluded that the balance of interests leans in favour of granting the stay of execution as requested by the Appellants.
On these grounds, The MotoGP Court of Appeal rules that: The execution of the FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel Notification of 28 March 2023 related to the Application of the Sanction imposed on Mr Marc Marquez issued in connection with the previous Notification of Sanction by the same FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel of 26 March 2023 is ordered to stay until the appeal submitted by Mr Marc Marquez and the HRC - Repsol Honda Team is finally resolved. Pronounced on 12 April 2023 On behalf of MotoGP Court of Appeal [Signed] Sakari Vuorensola Chairman
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 10:31:47 GMT -8
I'm sure you read that completely in earnest.
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 10:51:38 GMT -8
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 10:53:43 GMT -8
^Do these changes include goose, kangaroo and seagull control?
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Post by truenorth on Apr 13, 2023 11:01:58 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Apr 13, 2023 13:36:04 GMT -8
Court of Appeal grants stay of execution in Marquez case A final decision on the appeal will be rendered in due course On 26 March 2023, in the MotoGP™ Race of the Grande Premio Tissot de Portugal, the FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty on Mr Marc Marquez, Rider #93. On 28 March 2023, the same FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel notified the Application of the Sanction imposed on the rider to clarify the scope of its applicability. Following the appeal from the rider and the HRC - Repsol Honda Team against the Application of the Sanction, the FIM Appeal Stewards decided to refer the case to the MotoGP Court of Appeal on 29 March 2023. As a result, the MotoGP Court of Appeal ruled on the request to stay the execution of the Application of the Sanction submitted by the Appellants. A decision granting the stay of execution of the Application of the Sanction was rendered on 12 April 2023 and notified the same day to the Appellants. A final decision on the appeal will be rendered in due course. I didn't know long laps were the equivalent of death row. Looking forward to a perp walk.
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Post by truenorth on Apr 14, 2023 5:39:41 GMT -8
Stewards are ex-riders because their heads have swelled so much they can't wear helmets.
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Post by truenorth on Apr 14, 2023 6:53:17 GMT -8
Moto3 P1 1 10 Diogo MOREIRA BRA MT Helmets - MSI KTM 2'16.908 12 12 235.2 2 5 Jaume MASIA SPA Leopard Racing HONDA 2'17.180 9 11 0.272 0.272 234.2 3 71 Ayumu SASAKI JPN Liqui Moly Husqvarna Intact GP HUSQVARNA 2'17.190 12 12 0.282 0.010 235.8 4 96 Daniel HOLGADO SPA Red Bull KTM Tech3 KTM 2'17.199 10 12 0.291 0.009 233.7 5 53 Deniz ÖNCÜ TUR Red Bull KTM Ajo KTM 2'17.461 10 12 0.553 0.262 231.2 6 24 Tatsuki SUZUKI JPN Leopard Racing HONDA 2'17.480 8 9 0.572 0.019 236.8 7 48 Ivan ORTOLÁ SPA Angeluss MTA Team KTM 2'17.504 11 12 0.596 0.024 235.8 8 99 José Antonio RUEDA SPA Red Bull KTM Ajo KTM 2'17.704 11 12 0.796 0.200 235.2 9 38 David SALVADOR SPA CIP Green Power KTM 2'18.014 11 11 1.106 0.310 234.2 10 82 Stefano NEPA ITA Angeluss MTA Team KTM 2'18.127 12 13 1.219 0.113 234.7 11 55 Romano FENATI ITA Rivacold Snipers Team HONDA 2'18.166 11 12 1.258 0.039 235.2 12 80 David ALONSO COL Valresa GASGAS Aspar M3 GASGAS 2'18.196 11 13 1.288 0.030 236.3 13 43 Xavier ARTIGAS SPA CFMOTO Racing PruestelGP CFMOTO 2'18.211 11 13 1.303 0.015 236.8 14 6 Ryusei YAMANAKA JPN Valresa GASGAS Aspar M3 GASGAS 2'18.452 10 11 1.544 0.241 233.2 15 27 Kaito TOBA JPN SIC58 Squadra Corse HONDA 2'18.461 13 13 1.553 0.009 236.8 16 44 David MUÑOZ SPA BOE Motorsports KTM 2'18.520 12 12 1.612 0.059 238.4 17 54 Riccardo ROSSI ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse HONDA 2'18.553 12 13 1.645 0.033 234.2 18 18 Matteo BERTELLE ITA Rivacold Snipers Team HONDA 2'18.610 11 12 1.702 0.057 235.8 19 19 Scott OGDEN GBR VisionTrack Racing Team HONDA 2'18.956 11 12 2.048 0.346 231.7 20 95 Collin VEIJER NED Liqui Moly Husqvarna Intact GP HUSQVARNA 2'19.267 12 12 2.359 0.311 234.2 21 92 David ALMANSA SPA CFMOTO Racing PruestelGP CFMOTO 2'19.271 13 13 2.363 0.004 233.7 22 64 Mario AJI INA Honda Team Asia HONDA 2'19.307 12 12 2.399 0.036 229.2 23 63 Syarifuddin AZMAN MAL MT Helmets - MSI KTM 2'19.337 12 12 2.429 0.030 233.2 24 16 Andrea MIGNO ITA CIP Green Power KTM 2'19.377 7 11 2.469 0.040 233.2 25 70 Joshua WHATLEY GBR VisionTrack Racing Team HONDA 2'19.805 11 13 2.897 0.428 233.2 26 72 Taiyo FURUSATO JPN Honda Team Asia HONDA 2'19.856 15 15 2.948 0.051 232.2 27 22 Ana CARRASCO SPA BOE Motorsports KTM 2'20.081 12 13 3.173 0.225 233.7 28 7 Filippo FARIOLI ITA Red Bull KTM Tech3 KTM 2'20.247 11 13 3.339 0.166 231.2
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Post by truenorth on Apr 14, 2023 7:55:16 GMT -8
Moto2 P1 1 96 Jake DIXON GBR Asterius GASGAS Aspar M2 KALEX 2'10.516 13 15 284.2 2 35 Somkiat CHANTRA THA IDEMITSU Honda Team Asia KALEX 2'10.525 17 17 0.009 0.009 281.2 3 12 Filip SALAC CZE QJMOTOR Gresini Moto2 KALEX 2'10.538 14 14 0.022 0.013 279.7 4 37 Pedro ACOSTA SPA Red Bull KTM Ajo KALEX 2'10.662 14 15 0.146 0.124 289.5 5 21 Alonso LOPEZ SPA Beta Tools SpeedUp BOSCOSCURO 2'10.678 14 15 0.162 0.016 278.3 6 40 Aron CANET SPA Pons Wegow Los40 KALEX 2'10.704 7 10 0.188 0.026 279.7 7 7 Barry BALTUS BEL Fieten Olie Racing GP KALEX 2'10.753 15 16 0.237 0.049 285.7 8 54 Fermín ALDEGUER SPA Beta Tools SpeedUp BOSCOSCURO 2'10.767 13 15 0.251 0.014 278.3 9 14 Tony ARBOLINO ITA Elf Marc VDS Racing Team KALEX 2'10.774 14 15 0.258 0.007 284.9 10 52 Jeremy ALCOBA SPA QJMOTOR Gresini Moto2 KALEX 2'10.790 14 16 0.274 0.016 282.7 11 22 Sam LOWES GBR Elf Marc VDS Racing Team KALEX 2'10.964 15 16 0.448 0.174 285.7 12 64 Bo BENDSNEYDER NED Pertamina Mandalika SAG Team KALEX 2'11.099 13 15 0.583 0.135 278.3 13 18 Manuel GONZALEZ SPA Correos Prepago Yamaha VR46 M KALEX 2'11.275 14 15 0.759 0.176 283.4 14 16 Joe ROBERTS USA Italtrans Racing Team KALEX 2'11.430 14 16 0.914 0.155 279.0 15 13 Celestino VIETTI ITA Fantic Racing KALEX 2'11.715 13 14 1.199 0.285 281.9 16 15 Darryn BINDER RSA Liqui Moly Husqvarna Intact GP KALEX 2'11.742 14 15 1.226 0.027 287.2 17 71 Dennis FOGGIA ITA Italtrans Racing Team KALEX 2'11.931 12 15 1.415 0.189 283.4 18 75 Albert ARENAS SPA Red Bull KTM Ajo KALEX 2'12.426 14 15 1.910 0.495 286.4 19 4 Sean Dylan KELLY USA American Racing KALEX 2'12.576 13 14 2.060 0.150 276.2 20 24 Marcos RAMIREZ SPA Forward Team FORWARD 2'12.762 13 13 2.246 0.186 281.2 21 33 Rory SKINNER GBR American Racing KALEX 2'12.767 14 15 2.251 0.005 279.7 22 79 Ai OGURA JPN IDEMITSU Honda Team Asia KALEX 2'12.793 5 8 2.277 0.026 284.9 23 84 Zonta VD GOORBERGH NED Fieten Olie Racing GP KALEX 2'12.876 14 14 2.360 0.083 283.4 24 19 Lorenzo DALLA PORTA ITA Pertamina Mandalika SAG Team KALEX 2'12.965 8 14 2.449 0.089 281.9 25 11 Sergio GARCIA SPA Pons Wegow Los40 KALEX 2'13.213 14 14 2.697 0.248 281.9 26 3 Lukas TULOVIC GER Liqui Moly Husqvarna Intact GP KALEX 2'13.775 15 15 3.259 0.562 281.9 27 72 Borja GOMEZ SPA Fantic Racing KALEX 2'15.656 10 16 5.140 1.881 280.5 28 28 Izan GUEVARA SPA Asterius GASGAS Aspar M2 KALEX 2'15.918 8 12 5.402 0.262 278.3 Not qualified (Out 105%) 2'17.041 98 David SANCHIS SPA Forward Team FORWARD 2'18.139 8 10 7.623 2.221 274.1 2 Soichiro MINAMIMOTO JPN Correos Prepago Yamaha VR46 M KALEX 2'18.700 13 15 8.184 0.561 279.0
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Post by truenorth on Apr 14, 2023 9:26:20 GMT -8
MotoGP P1 10 Luca MARINI ITA Mooney VR46 Racing Team DUCATI 2'03.250 13 14 341.7 2 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP YAMAHA 2'03.400 15 15 0.150 0.150 335.4 3 5 Johann ZARCO FRA Prima Pramac Racing DUCATI 2'03.528 15 16 0.278 0.128 342.8 4 73 Alex MARQUEZ SPA Gresini Racing MotoGP DUCATI 2'03.551 15 16 0.301 0.023 337.5 5 43 Jack MILLER AUS Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 2'03.676 14 14 0.426 0.125 337.5 6 89 Jorge MARTIN SPA Prima Pramac Racing DUCATI 2'03.708 14 15 0.458 0.032 343.9 7 1 Francesco BAGNAIA ITA Ducati Lenovo Team DUCATI 2'03.792 14 14 0.542 0.084 342.8 8 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Aprilia Racing APRILIA 2'03.897 13 16 0.647 0.105 339.6 9 30 Takaaki NAKAGAMI JPN LCR Honda IDEMITSU HONDA 2'04.139 14 16 0.889 0.242 335.4 10 33 Brad BINDER RSA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 2'04.204 16 17 0.954 0.065 342.8 11 36 Joan MIR SPA Repsol Honda Team HONDA 2'04.312 14 14 1.062 0.108 335.4 12 21 Franco MORBIDELLI ITA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP YAMAHA 2'04.342 15 16 1.092 0.030 336.4 13 72 Marco BEZZECCHI ITA Mooney VR46 Racing Team DUCATI 2'04.364 15 15 1.114 0.022 343.9 14 42 Alex RINS SPA LCR Honda CASTROL HONDA 2'04.452 11 16 1.202 0.088 337.5 15 88 Miguel OLIVEIRA POR CryptoDATA RNF MotoGP Team APRILIA 2'04.661 5 13 1.411 0.209 339.6 16 25 Raul FERNANDEZ SPA CryptoDATA RNF MotoGP Team APRILIA 2'04.904 14 15 1.654 0.243 336.4 17 49 Fabio DI GIANNANTONIO ITA Gresini Racing MotoGP DUCATI 2'04.906 16 16 1.656 0.002 338.5 18 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Aprilia Racing APRILIA 2'05.054 5 14 1.804 0.148 337.5 19 37 Augusto FERNANDEZ SPA GASGAS Factory Racing Tech3 KTM 2'05.732 8 17 2.482 0.678 334.3 20 6 Stefan BRADL GER Repsol Honda Team HONDA 2'05.771 13 15 2.521 0.039 333.3 21 51 Michele PIRRO ITA Ducati Lenovo Team DUCATI 2'05.772 13 13 2.522 0.001 339.6 22 94 Jonas FOLGER GER GASGAS Factory Racing Tech3 KTM 2'08.176 11 12 4.926 2.404 334.3
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Post by truenorth on Apr 14, 2023 9:28:44 GMT -8
This happened at Portimão today in a practice session. Luckily nobody was in the stands there and the driver was ok. Time for a safety upgrade in that corner?
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Post by truenorth on Apr 14, 2023 10:09:39 GMT -8
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Post by hairyscotsman on Apr 14, 2023 10:18:10 GMT -8
This happened at Portimão today in a practice session. Luckily nobody was in the stands there and the driver was ok. Time for a safety upgrade in that corner?
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Post by truenorth on Apr 14, 2023 10:20:01 GMT -8
SofaRacer A joint MotoGP and F1 weekend?
If they’re going to make us watch F1, then the F1 fans have to watch Moto2.
It’s only fair.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Apr 14, 2023 10:45:26 GMT -8
Never gonna happen, except mayyyybe at a circuit with two pit/garage/start areas, like maybe Silverstone. Even then ...
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