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Post by kidrybot on Mar 26, 2023 20:49:34 GMT -8
Does Marquez have this accident if there was less aero on the bikes? maybe, I don't feel he's changed his riding style any
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Post by kidrybot on Mar 26, 2023 20:50:33 GMT -8
"The riders need to re-think and all of us relax. We cannot continue like this. This is not a war, this is racing. It’s the first race & we have four riders in hospital, we can’t continue like this.” Aleix Espargaró isn't impressed with how many of his fellow riders ended up in the medical centre after the opening round. this guy can't possibly fit all if his phones into his pockets
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 5:44:35 GMT -8
Does Marquez have this accident if there was less aero on the bikes? maybe, I don't feel he's changed his riding style any Your question raises my suspicions as I am not a fan of aero but he did say there was a brake issue before the race.
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 5:44:52 GMT -8
Does Marquez have this accident if there was less aero on the bikes? maybe, I don't feel he's changed his riding style any Your question raises my suspicions as I am not a fan of aero but he did say there was a brake issue before the race. Oliveira thinks the issue was all Marquez and not brakes. He said "If you know you have one (a problem with the brakes), brake first." Tardozzi wants evidence of the brake problem. If there was a problem with the brakes, would he know before he used them? We also know Marquez can get wild, but is it wild to ride the bike as if it were working properly. Does that put some of the issue onto the team? The rider who came third in the Moto3 race had been through a long lap so I'm not sure how much of a penalty a long lap is. Maybe because Marquez has two he will be held back. All of which brings us to nowhere certain. Cetainly, a broken right thumb is a penalty and if he can't ride, the long laps are removed. I'm going with what Marquez said. He made a mistake and he's sorry. In fact, I'm aligning with Aleix Espargaro's comment that the riding was too wild generally and that the tone of the event needs to be more calm. I'm not sure how that could happen either. Dorna is asking the maximum from the riders and the riders want to race. Some voices are calling for some form of union to restrict the demands of Dorna. (They don't get paid for Sprints.) Some voices are calling for restriction of aero. I am one of those. Aero did no favours for car racing. If the aero makes passing impossible and the tires are all controlled, doesn't that put the onus onto the brakes? I don't expect HRC to explain an issue with the brakes even if there was one. That puts us back to Marquez' apology. This story won't disappear quickly so I'll report on it as I find it. I really appreciate your responses to my posts. I've done this for quite a long time and this is the first time readers have responded. This is also the first time I've offered an opinion.
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 6:41:59 GMT -8
Well, here's the answer to one of the questions. Marquez to miss Argentina GP After surgery to repair the broken first metacarpal in his right hand, Marc Marquez will miss the second round. Upon returning to Spain for further checks, Marc Marquez was diagnosed with a displaced intrarticular fracture of the base of the first metacarpal of the thumb of the right hand. The #93 immediately underwent surgery at the Ruber Internacional Hospital in Madrid with Dr. Ignacio Roger de Oña leading a team consisting of Dr. Samuel Antuña and Dr. Andrea Garcia Villanueva. "I MADE A MISTAKE" - REPENTANT M. MARQUEZ ACCEPTS BLAME "IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR MARC TO AVOID THE CRASH" - PUIG The surgery consisted of a closed reduction of the fracture and internal fixation of the same with two screws and passed without incident. Marc Marquez and the Repsol Honda Team have elected for the eight-time World Champion to miss the next round of the World Championship to fully focus on recovery and arrive at the forthcoming rounds in the best possible condition.
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 6:52:22 GMT -8
TALKING POINTS: Portugal - "He was too optimistic" A dramatic weekend ensured the 2023 season started with a bang, and these are all the hottest topics from the weekend It was certainly a dramatic return for the MotoGP™ World Championship. There is still plenty of fallout from the weekend which saw the debut of the Tissot Sprint on Saturday, while Sunday’s race left us with plenty of talking points. "He was too optimistic" One of the major talking points from the weekend was the crash that saw Marc Marquez lose control of his RC213V and inadvertently take out home hero Miguel Oliveira just a few laps into Sunday’s race. Marquez has since apologised to the Portuguese rider, but that hasn’t stopped him from picking up an injury, a sanction and being in the ire of some of his rivals. Marquez: “I couldn’t avoid going to the right side. I was able to avoid [Jorge] Martin but couldn’t avoid Miguel. I was very worried for him because the contact was big. “I want to say sorry to him, to his team, to the Portuguese fans. I have been penalised for that mistake with a double long lap penalty, that I completely, completely agree. “I was not even close and not thinking to overtake. But I had a massive lock, when I released the brakes, the bike kept leaning and I went inside. This created Miguel’s crash.” Oliveira: He braked too late, maybe too optimistic about making the pass. He had to avoid Martin because he wasn’t going to stop enough. And then he couldn’t avoid me, for sure. “His apology is accepted. But, at the same time, when we have a problem with the brakes on these bikes, usually we brake a bit earlier and we don’t try to overtake. So this is the main thing. For sure, he knows this better than me. Martin: “The race was ruined after this big impact. I have broken one toe in my foot, and also my ankle, I have something.” “It's not the first time he's destroyed my race, so I don't know, maybe in the future he can manage to avoid me.” "A tribute to the idol" Having dominated the Portuguese GP, the reigning World Champion Pecco Bagnaia (Ducati Lenovo Team) hit Cristiano Ronaldo’s famous ‘Siiuu’ celebration in front of the home fans. ”It’s normal to make a tribute to the idol. Fabio [Quartararo] had the same idea two years ago and I think it was correct to do the same.” ”Maybe next week, we have to bring some Argentinian t-shirts!” "The pace was red hot, everyone was pushing" History was made on Saturday at the Portuguese GP, as the first-ever Tissot Sprint took place, with Pecco Bagnaia taking victory. It was undoubtedly an exciting event, and it seems the riders were big fans of the new format. You can check out their reactions in the video below. "This whole weekend's been incredibly tough for me" It was a hell of a weekend for the factory KTMs as they found themselves at the forefront of the action throughout the three days despite plenty of concerns and hanging doubts over their preseason form. Brad Binder claimed P6 in Sunday’s race, and it’s an even more impressive result when you take into account that he had to fight through the pain barrier. “Friday morning I could not ride and the guys in the Clinica helped me a bit, then in the afternoon I was able to do some OK laps and this morning I was a bit sore…but I could still ride OK. But when it is 12 laps of racing and you have the turbulence of the guys in front of you then your struggling because when my head is weaving this in the wind I have a lot of pain going down my neck and shoulder. It’s difficult like that because I feel that I cannot put my head in the wind and hang off the bike a lot. I need to protect myself all the time and when things are this competitive then you cannot be doing that. “This whole weekend's been incredibly tough for me. Friday morning I could barely ride, so to finish in this way on Sunday afternoon, I'm super happy.” "I was dreaming of the podium" Having made the switch in the off season from Honda to Ducati, Gresini rider Alex Marquez looks to have settled into his new surroundings very quickly. The Spaniard sits sixth in the Championship after picking up the final point in the Tissot Sprint, and then going on to take fifth in Sunday’s race. At one stage, it looked like he may even finish on the podium on his Ducati debut, but the #73 admitted he just couldn’t push the limits any further. ”At some point I was dreaming of the podium because I saw it was possible, but in the end, I was too on the limit. I saw on the TV Johann [Zarco] was coming. I went slightly wide and I couldn’t close the door.” "The future we will be a lot better" It was a tough weekend for Joan Mir, the Honda new boy crashed out of the Tissot Sprint while he failed to crack the top 10 in Sunday’s race, finishing behind LCR counterpart Alex Rins. However, the 2020 World Champion fully believes better days lie ahead for him and his team. ”I’m confident in the future we will be a lot better, we already showed our potential at some point of the weekend.""
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 6:56:13 GMT -8
Inch-perfect Pecco charges to double victory The Italian kicks off his title defence in fine fashion ahead of Viñales and Bezzecchi; early drama sees Marquez & Oliveira in the gravel. History was made once again by Francesco Bagnaia (Ducati Lenovo Team) as he took his first victory with the number 1 plate on his factory Ducati machine, taking not just the inaugural Tissot Sprint victory, but winning the main event at the Grande Prémio TISSOT de Portugal as well. Maverick Viñales (Aprilia Racing) pushed the Italian all the way to the chequered flag picking up 2nd, with Marco Bezzecchi (Mooney VR46 Racing Team) starting his 2023 in high spirits with a podium finish. An electric start to 2023 The Tissot Sprint gave us plenty to digest on Saturday, but on Sunday the attention had turned to the main event for the Grande Prémio TISSOT de Portugal as it became crunch time in MotoGP™. All eyes were on the boys in red as Francesco Baganaia was eyeing up the first double victory in MotoGP™ history, with the rest of the grid eager to stop him. It was a brilliant start for Miguel Oliveira (CryptoDATA RNF MotoGP™ Team) who took the hole shot into Turn 1, but Martin quickly bit back to take the lead. There was barely a chance to catch your breath before a charging Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) came barrelling through, making contact with Martin, dropping down to 4th spot, and allowing room for Oliveira to retake the lead, with Martin now in 2nd and Bagnaia watching on from 3rd. One lap down, and Bagnaia slotted his factory Ducati neatly up the inside of Jorge Martin to take 2nd spot away from the Spaniard, and by the end of the lap, he had picked off the homeland hero Oliveira to break his way into the race lead. Oliveira had a little look at the reigning Champion on the brakes as they hurtled into Turn 1, but Bagnaia was too late on the anchors. Two corners later and disaster struck for the Portuguese fans as Marquez massively overshot his braking marker, barging into Jorge Martin and crashing into Oliveira t-boning the Portuguese rider, and taking him out of the Portuguese Grand Prix with both Oliveira and Marquez ending their race in the gravel trap. Martin dropped down to 14th after the incident, failing to recover and eventually crashing out of the Grand Prix. The incident reshuffled the order promoting Maverick Viñales up into 2nd place, with Alex Marquez (Gresini Racing MotoGP™) in 3rd. The last men standing With the chaos unfolding behind him, Bagnaia began to pull away at the front in an attempt to make an escape onboard his factory Ducati. However, it wasn't going to be if Maverick Viñales was going to have anything to say about it. Bagnaia began to come under attack from the Spaniard as he closed in on the reigning Champion. As the race went on Bagnaia began to control the pace at the front, and with 13 laps to go the Italian started to break away from Viñales, stretching out a 0.5s gap over the Aprilia man. Eventually, Bagnaia was able to stretch the gap to 1s, controlling the race from the front right up until the chequered flag. The podium fight As the race settled after the drama in the opening laps, it left a tantalising battle for 3rd place involving Marco Bezzecchi, Alex Marquez, and Jack Miller (Red Bull KTM Factory Racing). It wasn't long before Brad Binder (Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) wanted a taste of the action, chasing down his new teammate in an attempt to put himself in podium contention and retake his spot as top dog at KTM. Bezzecchi was putting the hammer down doing all he could to try to break the chasing pack, stretching out the group, and protecting his podium spot. The young Italian pulled away from the group, and the battle for 3rd became a battle for 4th in a fascinating 5-way scrap being led by Alex Marquez and Jack Miller, with Brad Binder, Johann Zarco (Prima Pramac Racing) and Aleix Espargaro (Aprilia Racing) following closely and waiting to pick up the pieces. The final sector quickly came around and it was blink-and-you-miss-it stuff from the riders scrapping it out. With just a few corners left, it looked as if 4th place was safe in the hands of Alex Marquez, until Johann Zarco made an incredible move, putting the power down through his Michelin rear tyre to squeeze his way through on Marquez on acceleration at Turn 13, fending him off holding P4 to the line. A mountain to climb for Quartararo Fabio Quartararo (Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP™) struggled to recover from his 11th-place grid start. The Frenchman battled hard to make his way up to 10th spot, holding the position for the majority of the race. As it came to crunch time Quarataro put the hammer down, setting a blistering pace to claw down the riders in front. With 2 laps to go, Quartararo found himself reeling in the battle for 4th, taking full advantage of the carnage ahead to slot himself ahead of Aleix Espargaro to take 8th place away from the Spaniard just before the last lap. Quartararo came across the line wishing there was one more lap as he just about managed to salvage 8th place in a damage limitation job for the former Champion. What a way to start the 2023 MotoGP™ season, the Grande Prémio TISSOT de Portugal did not disappoint as we say goodbye to Portimao and prepare for more MotoGP™ action in Argentina just one week after Round 1.
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Post by Pistola on Mar 27, 2023 7:22:22 GMT -8
maybe, I don't feel he's changed his riding style any Your question raises my suspicions as I am not a fan of aero but he did say there was a brake issue before the race. Oliveira thinks the issue was all Marquez and not brakes. He said "If you know you have one (a problem with the brakes), brake first." Tardozzi wants evidence of the brake problem. We also know Marquez can get wild, but is it wild to ride the bike as if it were working properly. Does that put some of the issue onto the team? The rider who came third in the Moto3 race had been through a long lap so I'm not sure how much of a penalty a long lap is. Maybe because Marquez has two he will be held back. All of which brings us to nowhere certain. Cetainly, a broken right thumb is a penalty and if he can't ride, the long laps are removed. I'm going with what Marquez said. He made a mistake and he's sorry. In fact, I'm aligning with Aleix Espargaro's comment that the riding was too wild generally and that the tone of the event needs to be more calm. I'm not sure how that could happen either. Dorna is asking the maximum from the riders and the riders want to race. Some voices are calling for some form of union to restrict the demands of Dorna. (They don't get paid for Sprints.) Some voices are calling for restriction of aero. I am one of those. Aero did no favours for car racing. If the aero makes passing impossible and the tires are all controlled, doesn't that put the onus onto the brakes? I don't expect HRC to explain an issue with the brakes even if there was one. That puts us back to Marquez' apology. This story won't disappear quickly so I'll report on it as I find it. I really appreciate your responses to my posts. I've done this for quite a long time and this is the first time readers have responded. This is also the first time I've offered an opinion. I can go either way on whether the aero was factor. Clearly Marquez is guilty of causing the incident. He's taking the Honda right to the edge and the fact he was doing it so early in the race speaks to an air of desperation. Full tank, desperation, aero, he now won't have any points until at least the third race. Paco in Moto2 may be the best story of the weekend and it's lost in all the other crap.
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 7:52:54 GMT -8
When the internet loses its shit over a race weekend, Dorna enters a phase of sublimity known to the likes of Ecclethug and Ezpelta.
Pedro Acosta certainly put on a helluva show of prcision and consistency. Canet proved he can follow accurately. We'll see if Canet is content to follow the next time or did he, in fact, learn something.
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 7:55:30 GMT -8
Acosta comes out victorious in intense Portimao duel It was a battle of the Spaniards between Acosta and Canet as a blistering pace saw them blow away the field, with Arbolino taking P3. A high-intensity Moto2™ season opener saw Pedro Acosta (Red Bull KTM Ajo) fight hard to fend off Aron Canet (Pons Wegow Los40) to make the perfect start to his 2023 season. Tony Arbolino (Elf Marc VDS Racing Team) pushed his way to the front and rounded out the podium in Portimao. Tensions were high on the grid as the Moto2™ riders prepared for the first Grand Prix of 2023. Canet made a lighting start taking the whole shot into Turn 1, with Filip Salac (QJMOTOR Gresini Moto2) and Acosta following the Spaniard closely through the opening stages of the race. 1 lap later and Acosta was on the move slotting his way up the inside of Salac to take 2nd, and soon after making an incredible dive up the inside of Canet for the race lead. It didn't take long until Acosta began stretching out the gap in an attempt to break away from the field. Canet wasn't going down without a fight as the Valencian chased down the young Acosta, applying pressure on the Red Bull KTM man. Canet shadowed Acosta's every move as the race went on, threatening to make a move on the youngster. The pace was hot at the front as the two Spaniards checked off lap after lap, pushing their Kalex machines to their absolute limits. With the battle for the race win on a knife edge, no one could match the pace of the leaders. As the race came to a close it was a case of who would blink first in an intense battle of attrition. 2 laps to go and Acosta began stretching out a small gap to give himself crucial breathing space ahead of the last lap. With over a second in his pocket, Acosta crossed the line with an inch-perfect performance leaving Canet to pick up the scraps in 2nd place. The battle for the final spot on the rostrum was just as intense as Filip Salac began to drop down the order early on with Manuel Gonzalez (Yamaha VR46 Master Camp Team) making his way up into 3rd spot. The battle raged on through the race as Gonzalez was faced with defending the final podium spot ahead of a freight train of riders queueing up behind him. 13 laps to go and the battle began to spread out as Tony Arbolino slipstreamed his way past Gonzalez to take hold of the final rostrum position, as it became a two-way battle between the Italian and the Spaniard for podium honours. As the race went on Arbolino pushed on to break away from Gonzalez and edge closer toward the leading duo. The Italian gave it everything he had, but it wasn't enough to catch the flying Spaniards out front, and Arbolino brought home his Elf Marc VDS machine to open his 2023 season with a podium finish. Salac fought his way back up through to catch and overtake the late-fading Gonzalez, taking 4th place and pushing the Spaniard back to 5th. Jake Dixon (GASGAS Aspar Team) fought hard through the pack showing incredible pace, but with a mountain to climb the Brit's progress was halted at 6th position, despite a heroic to open his 2023 season. Jeremy Alcoba (QJMOTOR Gresini Moto2) rounded out the top 10 with the rookie Sergio Garcia (Pons Wegow Los40) taking the final points-scoring position in 15th. With Round 1 completed, the attention now turns to the Gran Premio Michelin® de la República Argentina for the 2nd round of the Grand Prix calendar.
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 7:59:08 GMT -8
Holgado holds strong to take incredible maiden victory The Spaniard defended his lead throughout the race in a heroic debut victory ahead of Muñoz and Moreira Moto3™ was back to its full glory with a jaw-dropping action-packed race to open the 2023 season. It was Daniel Holdgado (Red Bull KTM Tech3) who fought his way to the front and defended his lead all race long to take his debut victory at the Grande Prémio TISSOT de Portugal. It was drama right until the final moments in Moto3™ which saw David Muñoz (BOE Motorsports) fight his way to 2nd place, and Diogo Moreira (MT Helmets - MSI) take the final podium spot in a dramatic drag to the line. The lights went out and it was a lighting launch for Joel Kelso (CFMoto Racing PruestelGP) who jumped from 3rd to take the whole shot. Holgado also flew off the line, putting himself in 3rd place having started on the 2nd row. It was Kelso led first time across the line, with Holgado shadowing his every move. With 18 laps to go, the race victor decided it was time to start his charge for victory, taking the lead away from the Aussie. Kelso tried hard to bounce back but didn't quite have enough in the tank. The freight train began to form, and with 15 laps to go Ayumu Sasaki (Liqui Moly Husqvarna IntactGP) put himself in contention with a 4-bike slipstream dragging himself to the front, and slotting himself nicely behind race leader Holgado. Sasaki shadowed Holgado for a while whilst fending off attacks from the menacing Muñoz. The Spaniard made his move with 12 laps to go, and then had his sights set on Holgado out front. However, one lap later and Sasaki pulled off an incredible two-in-one move as they barrelled down into Turn 1. Holgado began to run away with it and it was down to Sasaki to chase him down. The hotly-tipped title favourite brought down the gap to Holgado, taking the lead with 8 laps to go. Holgado quickly bounced back in a slipstreaming reshuffle that bumped Sasaki down to 3rd spot. The slipstreaming continued but Holgado bounced back to the front every time, defending his lead as the chaos unfolded behind him. With 2 laps Holgado had a lead of 0.5s, but Muñoz used the slipstream to reel in the Spaniard and slotted himself up the inside of the 2nd-placed Moreira, in hopes of unsettling the race leader. Last lap time and Moreira fought his way back to P2 giving everything he had to make his way into the lead, but the Brazilian ran wide at Turn 5, letting Muñoz back through. It was now between Holgado and Muñoz for the win, with just half a lap remaining. With just a few corners left Jose Antonio Rueda (Red Bull KTM Ajo) slotted himself into P3. Holdgado fended off attacks from Muñoz and the chasing back, getting the perfect drive out of the final corner to take his first-ever Grand Prix victory. As the rest of the pack crossed the line the young Brazilian Moreira snatched 3rd place away from the rookie Rueda in typical Moto3™ fashion, slipstreaming the Spaniard to the line. Jaume Masia (Leopard Racing) rounded out the top 5 after putting himself in podium contention throughout the race, with Ayumu Sasaki taking P6 to open his 2023 championship campaign. Kelso dropped down to 9th spot after leading early on in the race. Deniz Öncü (Red Bull KTM Ajo) put in a brilliant top 10 performance with an incredible recovery to come flying through the pack to take the fastest lap of the race, after starting from pitlane due to technical issues onboard his KTM on the warm up lap. The rookie Colin Veijer (Liqui Moly Husqvarna IntactGP) picked up P12 in his debut Grand Prix as Riccardo Rossi (SIC58 Squadra Corse) took the final points-scoring position in 15th. With Round 1 completed, the attention now turns to the Gran Premio Michelin® de la República Argentina for the 2nd round of the Grand Prix calendar
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 8:14:57 GMT -8
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Post by truenorth on Mar 27, 2023 8:16:28 GMT -8
^Occasionally Viñales inched closer to the leading Ducati, which overheated his Aprilia’s front tyre, forcing him to drop back to cool the tyre before going through the same process all over again. No wonder there wasn’t a single overtaking manoeuvre between the top three in the last 19 of 25 laps.
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Post by boiler on Mar 27, 2023 17:03:46 GMT -8
Full disclosure, I do not watch a lot of MotoGP maybe a handful of races a year.
From what I have seen of Marquez since his big accident what a few years ago? He seems to be trying way harder than before and its not paying off for him at all.
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Post by truenorth on Mar 28, 2023 2:13:13 GMT -8
Full disclosure, I do not watch a lot of MotoGP maybe a handful of races a year. From what I have seen of Marquez since his big accident what a few years ago? He seems to be trying way harder than before and its not paying off for him at all. You might be right. Is he trying to protect his glory? It's got to have been hard to fall from victory to an injury.
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Post by Red_Hercules on Mar 28, 2023 11:42:50 GMT -8
I am sorry I forgot to watch the race. It sounds like it was epic. Unfortunately, both the wife and I got sick...
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Post by boiler on Mar 28, 2023 13:57:01 GMT -8
Full disclosure, I do not watch a lot of MotoGP maybe a handful of races a year. From what I have seen of Marquez since his big accident what a few years ago? He seems to be trying way harder than before and its not paying off for him at all. You might be right. Is he trying to protect his glory? It's got to have been hard to fall from victory to an injury. Maybe but unlike Rossi he clearly hasn't lost a step after the accident with the exception of the over ambitions low % moves. I think Rossi had to be more aggressive to try and maintain his pace where Marc has no reason to do so...... at this point.....
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Post by truenorth on Mar 29, 2023 7:24:18 GMT -8
You might be right. Is he trying to protect his glory? It's got to have been hard to fall from victory to an injury. Maybe but unlike Rossi he clearly hasn't lost a step after the accident with the exception of the over ambitions low % moves. I think Rossi had to be more aggressive to try and maintain his pace where Marc has no reason to do so...... at this point..... True, Marc's problem is an uncooperative bike. It's hard to see Honda so far behind the other bikes.
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